The Obama Imprint

By Logan Nakyanzi Pollard

Obama's imprint goes something like this: defeat racism by ignoring it. Obama has defanged racism by neglect.

And accordingly, there's going to be tremendous pressure within the black community to question this newfound freedom. Already, today's black leaders are cautious and quick to remind Americans that Obama won the presidency because of the debt paid by many years of struggle.

Cornel West says in an interview with the Miami Herald:

"Our agenda still requires a highlighting of the disproportion of suffering and misery of black people... We are going to have to put pressure on to let him know we are part of his public interest, too...I will speak and I will organize and I will mobilize and be part of pressure groups seeking justice for black folks, but never stopping there."

Michael Eric Dyson writes in the LA Times:

"We should not be seduced by the notion that Obama's presidency signals the end of racism, the civil rights movement, the struggle for black equality or the careers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton."

While to many degrees these assertions are accurate, West and Dyson's statements hide another idea. And it is this: This is a game changer. And this is not a changer about a "post-racial" or "post-racist" America; this is a changer about the way blacks operate and view themselves.

What Obama has done is so extraordinary that it calls into question the entire project of black advocates and intellectuals preoccupied by the question of racism (reveal it, explain it, shame it). What Dyson later refers to (in the link above) as the "incalculable psychic boost" of youngsters growing up seeing Obama, is a whole lot more than that. This is not about getting boosted but rather about finding a tactic that works.

More specifically and for example, there are two sides of being a victim: the wronged side and the side of insight. If insight is the
transcendent side, then the victim side is the side that has not been transformed, gotten over, accepted the wrong or whatever the negative was. Obama's imprint is on the side of insight. It's a stark choice. One stays in jail, the other has stepped out.

There are competing agendas of course. Black leaders want to retain their relevance and platform. This however disempowers the individual who is told that he is up against a society working against him. It de-emphasizes his ability to change events, to mold the world to his will. This is the Obama imprint.

A New York City teen I know, grew up tough (his mother was brutal and abusive); he got his girlfriend pregnant and is now struggling to support her and his child working two jobs. The Obama victory was an amazing event to him. The old black leader might counsel this teenager: You see Obama, he's special; what's he going to do for you? He owes you something. But the Obama imprint, or what I might say to this boy-man is this: Now despite everything you have been through, everything you have endured and done, now you have proof that anything is possible. There is a huge gap between here and where you want to be (if you can bear the thought of hoping for more for yourself) but you alone must cover it. Nothing
can stop you.

This is freedom. And it's quite frightening. But it's a whole lot better that being a slave. Slavery seems like such an antiquated term and yet freedom and slavery are really what I am talking about. And this is not to diminish the black the experience. I mean actually to highlight that blacks have a lot of information to share about strength, endurance and beauty. But
the depth of our understanding (and mercy) is just beginning to show itself. Our self-pity, sadness or anger over what West calls
"suffering", however real, is actually an obstacle.

Even the black literary giants will have to make a new literature for our updated situation. We've spent a lot of time going over and over and over the wounds -- like a fly stuck in a box. I don't think any of us expected this quick turn in our story. A recent review of Toni Morrison's latest novel, A Mercy senses this shortcoming:

This author's early novels were breakthroughs into the experience of black Americans as refracted in the poetic and indignant perceptions of a black woman from Lorain, Ohio; as Morrison moves deeper into a more visionary realism, a betranced pessimism saps her plots of the urgency that hope imparts to human adventures...Varied and authoritative and frequently beautiful though the language is, it circles around a vision, both turgid and static, of a new world turning old, and poisoned from the start.

And, the limits of our religious traditions will be tested too, the old time religion that taught blacks to wait for 'the kingdom' or a
better time. What if the better time is now? It's now. Blacks have to rethink the place of preachers who advocate justice but not the rights of gays. Blacks have to come to terms with the gap between what they know intuitively about faith and God and what has become culturally acceptable to think, value or believe. This is the struggle of the larger culture as well, but blacks know better, if they can learn the lesson (transform the experience) of being victimized.

But for all this collective talk, let's face it, blacks are individuals. By history and fate blacks are loners, a tribe of mavericks and rogues. Now, my wish for that teenager is for him to know that wherever he finds himself, that's where a leader is.

Originally posted on the Huffington Post

Comments

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I disagree. Obama didn't

I disagree. Obama didn't neglect racism, he addressed it head on in his speech about race. And what he told people made them realize they didn't have to be afraid of having a black man lead the country, that he was going to be a leader for everyone, regardless of their color. He reassured people that thought he would only deal with black problems, that he would deal with their problems too.

I agree

I agree. I think he addressed racism as much as he should have during his campaign. I think it would have been a mistake to make it more of an issue. I hope that a bunch of black people don't come out and create problems for Barack, acting as if he is supposed to be the President of Black America. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Black people need to stop looking for a leader and lead themselves. They can do this by self education, and seeking out the resources needed to become financially stable. We can no longer waist time being the victim and looking for help. We can help ourselves. The only person you can count on is yourself. We as black people have to be accountable and we should hold each other accountable for our own actions.

I Think Obama should address the racism that

permeates this site. Don't you, Michatou?

Did you say something?

*looks*

Nope. I didn't think so.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Hi Again, Dummy!

Gee, momofuklansman!
If you and BeBe and ITSO/Johnny Galt and frogglodyte left the site, there would be no racism permeating this site!
You've been banned multiple times, yet you continue to spout your idiocy. You just crave attention to compensate for your low self esteem issues. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Bye, Dummy!

You really make the most absurd statements ever made.

Racism is a democratic party institution. Saying differently doesn't change that fact. Its just now you people have decided to hate another color. By the way, I am not white, so how can I be racists? Please explain your absurdities for the entire class to see. By the way, race based politics is racism.

You are in a state of deep

You are in a state of deep denial. Your selective interpretation of history proves it. The KKK was started as a social club by ex-Confederate soldiers. They became Democrats simply because they refused to be part of the party of Lincoln. It had nothing to do with Democratic ideology. That they terrorized people as Democrats doesn't mean that Democrats were the party of racism.

When the second KKK came around, they were already more like the Republican party: they were anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic, anti-Union, and anti-Communist. You can't tell me that they were Democratic anymore. Yes, they had moved North, and spread out over the country, but they were no longer the KKK of the South either. It was no longer an organizations with only Democratic membership. It was increasing ethnocentric, isolationist, conservative, and phobic of change in the country.

The current KKK is not a national group. It's a bunch of local groups with similar ideas. They are right-wing neo-nazis.

The South was never really Democratic (in terms of supporting Democratic platforms), although it voted that way. It was because of historical resentment for what Lincoln had done. It switched allegiance to the Republican party when it became obvious that the Democrats were going to support civil rights for black people. The Republicans were split. Yes, the Republicans helped passed civil rights legislation, but they certainly didn't spearhead it and they weren't one hundred percent behind it. It was during the civil rights era that the South became Republican, because their main concern was to keep blacks down and they could see Democrats were against that.

You can ignore and re-write history all you want, but you just make yourself look foolish to keep insisting on it. You keep trying to make the Democrats out to be the racist party, but the Republicans only had ONE shining moment in history. They gave it up a long, long time ago, and became exactly what they fought against.

this is where you are wrong

The KKK was strong in the south. The democractic party was strong in the south. They voted for the democratic platform. The northern democrats supported the southern democrats, to stay in power. If they had not, there would have been no jim crow laws enacted, no segregation, no racial tensions, lynchings, etc. For the sake of power, the democratic party looked the other way, while a part of their party did these evil deeds. That is the historical facts.

By the way, it was Eisenhower who first sent troops into the south to enforce integration/civil rights. It was Eisenhower who first proposed the civil rights act, which Kennedy voted against. Don't try and re-write history. The republican party was at the forefront of civil rights. The democrats co-oped it from them, just as Clinton stole parts of Newts contract with America, and claimed it for himself..

http://www.presidency.ucsb.ed

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25891

Eisenhower was an honorable man. He wasn't the whole party.

So you agree, Kennedy opposed the civil rights bill.

Yeah yeah, I know, he had excuses to not endorse it, but, funny, you left out other votes of his, also opposing civil rights legislation. By the way, don't you find that letter a little self serving, seeing as how he was in the middle of a campaign? If he had voted for the legislation, he would have lost the election.

Are you still blathering about nothing?

*looks again*

Yep. You're still blathering about nothing. You'd best be careful with that. Jerry Seinfeld has the copyright.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

So, tell me michtou

When did the southern democrats not vote with the northern democrats? Oh, yeah, in 1964. When the northern democrats adopted the republican civil rights agenda.

Oh, little one, with a little one

you are getting more infantile with your insults as the days progress. Why don't you grow a pair or at least grow up?

Momo,

Was you trying to say something, or was that the rocks rattling around in your head? Adios. Come back when you have something realitive to say.

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why should anyone free leonard peltier?

So he can go out and kill again?

I'm not going to pretend to

I'm not going to pretend to be a student of history, I'm not. And being too young to remember (or even be alive) during the times of Kennedy, I have no memories of the time.

But lets LOOK at both parties today, and the issues they support. Raising minimum wage, universally available health care, tax cuts for the under 200k folks and discontinuing Bush's tax cuts for the rich, education, etc. It's no wonder that looking at a GOP rally looks so monochromatic.

Look at the issues the GOP is championing - one man one woman definition of marriage, supporting useless wars, keeping tax cuts for the rich, etc. None of these things benefit the majority of Americans.

-- Yes we DID!!!! --

I would hope that he has

I would hope that he has better things to do than come here and address your concerns, Mr. Liberal Holocaust.

My concerns?

Heaven forbid that Obama should address the issue of you racists or that he should feel that it is a concern.

By momofukuNovember 16, 2008 - 12:36am

Qui vir odiosus

Yo, bamma biotch

you baked. Don't be such a jabronie. Yo just a jankity ol WB.

By momofukuNovember 16, 2008 - 5:36pm

Locked to preserve the stupidity. Let's get a troll room for hatey and his friends.

Wow!

momofuku. I'm black and have not seen anything on this site that I thought was racist. I don't think michatou's comment is racist. By reading some of your comments I think the problem is that you're a dumbass!

momofuku is just a troll

He's been lurking here in various guises for at least two years, and has been banned at least three times. He uses this particular sock-puppet account to accuse everyone here of racism. He uses another one to sound like a bad Boondocks episode from Cartoon Network. He's also claimed to be a member of a church in San Francisco, and claims to be recording every conversation he's involved in to show his pastor and demonstrate how evil the Progressives are.

Personally, I think he's been playing with his modem so much that his hardware's turned to software.

I really don't have a lot of sympathy for him, either, considering how disruptive he and some of the other g0p sheeple-trolls have been throughout this entire election cycle.

Want to really make him mad? Ignore him.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

You having fantasies of hatey again, I see

Boy, that brother really riles you people up, don't he? Oh, if only I could be as smart as him..Still, I'm twice as smart as any of you.

Did you say something?

*looks again*

Nope. I didn't think so.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Grown Ups

Hey, momofuku, I though this site was to promote intelligent, grown up conversation. How old are you? Now that I know your history on this site, this is my last repsonse to you. You're not worth the effort or time, brotha. lol

Yeah right.

then you haven't been on this site very long. By the way, what makes you think as you do? Because I happen to believe that the democratic party is and has always been the party of racism? That they have worked very hard to keep blacks in poverty? That they only pander to the black community for votes? What exactly to you find untrue about what I believe? Exactly, how has the democratic party actually helped the black community? You really sound like a brainwashed dummy yourself.

By the way, I didn't say michtou's comment was racist.

But she does not condemn the racist statement she is aware of, posted by the likes of pookie, fu bush, liberallunatic, etc.

Yeah, you are demanding

Yeah, you are demanding behavior from me that you yourself do not engage in. You have yet to condemn bebeholmes and froggy, and I have yet to hear you condemn your own sockpuppet Liberal Holocaust.
You can't have it both ways. I say nothing because when things get nasty, I usually stop reading. That's right, I don't read your long back and forth insult fests with other bloggers. I don't waste my time.

I muist have missed the posts you are referring to.

I have seen a few posts from both those (bebeholmes and froggy)individuals, but don't remember any racists remarks from them. As to liberal holocaust, I only remember two posts from that person, and I did condemn his speech. I even recommended that person be banned. Maybe it was in one of the posts you ignored. What ever. I do admit that you do try to stay civil, thought you do, at times, trade in insults, as do I. I have tried to remain civil with you, and a few others, but I see no point in ignoring every insults thrown my way. Sometimes a person has to give back what is thrown at them.

Go throw this

You lying racist sack of shit.

By AlderanNovember 16, 2008 - 11:33pm

Non had the best advice: ignore hatey. He hates it when you do that.

His favorite tactic is to argue the democrats are racist because of the southern vote on civi rights. I shot down his arguments by proving the southern vote was a conservative vote. he southern democrats were conservative and voted with conservative republicans except for certain issues. Basically the southern democrat was too stupid to realize the changes in party politics for decades.

hatey became so enraged that he started spamming the boards with loooong spam bombs and this got him banned. O ne of several times he has been banned. Now he tries to bring the topic up again and again. That is another of hatey's ploys. He just wants to get you to waste time repeating the same arguments again and again. Ignoring him means he fails at that. He hates that.

Let's see, now.

If you shot something down, that means you proved something. Now, class, let's let fu bush explain why the southern democrats and the northern democrats, voted consistently as a block, for over one hundred years. Just because the northern democrats finally allied themselves with the republicans, on civil rights, does not answer the question of why the democratic party used race then, and now to further its agenda. The democratic party aligns itself, historically, with whatever voting block that will keep them in power, regardless of the ideology of said block. By the way, exactly what has the democratic party actually done to improve the lot of the black community? By the way, I really don't give a good flying fuck if you respond or not. You usually only post anti-american articles, anyway. That's why you are known as the Ham of Spam.

Let's see, now.

If you shot something down, that means you proved something. Now, class, let's let fu bush explain why the southern democrats and the northern democrats, voted consistently as a block, for over one hundred years. Just because the northern democrats finally allied themselves with the republicans, on civil rights, does not answer the question of why the democratic party used race then, and now to further its agenda. The democratic party aligns itself, historically, with whatever voting block that will keep them in power, regardless of the ideology of said block. By the way, exactly what has the democratic party actually done to improve the lot of the black community? By the way, I really don't give a good flying fuck if you respond or not. You usually only post anti-american articles, anyway. That's why you are known as the Ham of Spam.

Another weekend of news talk shows on TV

Another weekend of mostly right wing guests on the shows.

By f u bush2 November 16, 2008 - 10:21am

Gosh darn that librul meedyah!
____________________
No. Mo. Joe.

I believe the media

is interested in the direction the Republican Party will take after the big losses in this election. Republicans, in my view, have lost their way. It is hard to find a republican anymore that believes in fiscal conservatism, smaller government, lower taxes, allowing the free markets to REALLY work and being an honorable, honest representative that does not buy into pork for their districts, States and Themselves! When republicans get back to their basics and become a true opposition party with ideas, they will compete. I do not know when this will happen.

It has been proven

that free markets and lower taxes do NOT work. It is "conservative" policies, dating back to 1980, that have caused this economic crisis.

Fluffy

Guess who said this.
Americans have always pursued our dreams within a free market that has
been the engine of our progress. It’s a market that has created a
prosperity that is the envy of the world, and rewarded the innovators and
risk-takers who have made America a beacon of science, and technology, and
discovery. But the American economy has worked in large part because we
have guided the market’s invisible hand with a higher principle – that
America prospers when all Americans can prosper. That is why we have put
in place rules of the road to make competition fair, and open, and honest.

Or this.
I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. My
opponent doesn’t want you to know this, but under my plan, tax rates will
actually be less than they were under Ronald Reagan.

Let me clarify

Cutting taxes on the wealthy has been proven not to work. Unregulated capitalism has been proven not to work.

Your clarification

still needs work. fern55 never said unregulated anything.

Well, when Michael Steele becomes the head of the party

the party will have a chance to find its direction again.

I don't know who Steele is

but I wouldn't hold my breath.

He is the forme Lt. Governor of Maryland

MIAMI -- Former Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele is running to be the next chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Following the GOP's sweeping losses in last week's elections, Steele said the party in recent years has failed to live up to its principles.

"The Republican Party must present a vision for the future of America that relies on our conservative values and core principles," he said. "It is wrong to believe the voters have suddenly become liberal. They have just lost any sense of confidence that the Republican Party holds the answers to their problems."

Steele was state chairman of the Maryland Republican Party from 2000 to 2002. He was the state's lieutenant governor from 2003-2007, becoming the first black candidate ever elected to a statewide position there. In November 2006, he lost a bid for the U.S. Senate.

"Most Americans today see a Republican Party that defines itself by what it is against rather than what it is for," Steele said in announcing his candidacy Thursday in Miami, where the Republican Governors Association is meeting. "We can tell you why public schools aren't working but not articulate a compelling vision for how we'll better educate children. We're well equipped to rail against tax increases but can't begin to explain how we'll help the poor."

By momofuku November 16, 2008 - 6:03pm

Actually, Michael Steele is a lying sack of shit Republican...

At Steele Rally, All Is Not Quite What It Appears

By Matthew Mosk and John Wagner
Sunday, September 24, 2006; Page C04

U.S. Senate candidate Michael S. Steele got an endorsement last week from a guy named Mfume . It came at a rally of Democrats for Steele in Baltimore, where Steele supporters waved signs and grabbed bumper stickers that said "Steele Democrat."

No Democrats who are elected officials in Maryland showed up, and afterward they said the entire event was meant to confuse voters.

The Mfume endorsement? It came not from the former Democratic candidate for the seat Kweisi Mfume but from his son Michael . And those signs? Well, Steele is no Democrat.

He's the Republican candidate and has served as chairman of the Maryland Republican Party, a member of the Republican National Committee and a booster for President Bush . He even spoke at the Republican National Convention in 2004. In prime time.

[...]

...who tries to mislead voters into thinking he is a Democrat, so he can get more votes. If he's the new leader of your party, you're in trouble.

By momofuku November 16, 2008 - 5:02pm

Well, when Michael Steele becomes the head of the party
the party will have a chance to find its direction again.

---------------------------
:lol:
Take this as free, much needed advice:
your pa(R)ty needs to head in the opposite direction Failville...

2006 Senate Race
Cardin 54%
Steele 44%

U.S. SENATE / MARYLAND / EXIT POLL

VOTE BY GENDER
Male
Cardin 50%
Steele 48%

Female
Cardin 60%
Steele 39%

VOTE BY AGE
18-29
Cardin 57%
Steele 39%

30-44
Cardin 55%
Steele 44%

45-59
Cardin 54%
Steele 45%

60 and older
Cardin 57%
Steele 42%

VOTE BY RACE
African-American
Cardin 74%
Steele 25%

____________________
No. Mo. Joe.

So, we are talking about the heading up the Republican party.

Steele was the only black man in history to ever win elective office in that state, which traditionally votes democratic. He will be a breath of fresh air for the republican's.
by Michael Steel
“I think the other thing that I’ve found that’s been lacking over the last four years, especially the last two cycles–’06 and ’08—we don’t know how to talk to people. We’ve absolutely forgotten how to communicate a message … to espouse those principles in the context of people’s everyday lives. … Our party needs to have a voice, it needs to have a relevant voice that people can identify with.”

“We put $700 billion on the table that we didn’t have. We’re now trying to carve out an extra $300 billion to put on the table. My question is, when does it stop? You don’t want to keep feeding this trough here that people on the Hill seem to want to be at.

“To the Republicans in the House and in the Senate, over this lame duck session you can be against a whole lot of things but you better start to be about something and for something, as well. Out party can’t just be in a position where we’re sitting back going ‘no to this, no to that, no to that’ without any explanation, number one, and without some alternative proposal to put on the table.”

“I bring a different experience to the table. I was a grassroots guy from day one. I started out here in my hometown of DC working the streets and knocking on doors. I then worked the central committee in Maryland, Prince George’s County. Became chairman of the party there for six years. State chairman. An elected official and lieutenant governor of the State of Maryland. Now I’m chairing GOPAC, a national grassroots organization that’s geared toward training and electing Republican candidates. So I think I bring a host of different perspectives to the table. … I want to make our party relevant and I think the experience I bring to the table will help us do that. I’m tired of us sitting with our heads in the sand complaining and finger pointing. Let’s get up, pick ourselves up, go out here and engage the fight. I want to be the loyal opposition to this incoming administration.”

Steele hits the nail on the head with his warning about communications. The Republicans need to have someone who relentlessly offers positive alternatives along with rational opposition to the Democratic agenda. It’s not about being nice, but about positioning the GOP as the grown-ups while the Democratic Congress and Obama administration write one check after another.

Republicans need someone with national name recognition who can do all of that as well as reorganize the RNC, modernize its communications, and find effective candidates for Congress. The chair has to be ubiquitous, appearing everywhere and every day, making himself heard on every single issue. Only a few people already have that kind of personality, and Steele is already busily proving that he qualifies.

By momofukuNovember 17, 2008 - 9:07pm

It doesn't matter because Steele will never head the RNC. First of all, there's no way the racist crackers that permeate the Repugnantcan Party are going to listen to a black man trying to tell them what they need to do. Second of all, even Repugs know a stale Oreo loser when they see one.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By Guy FawkesNovember 17, 2008 - 9:20pm

LMAO

hatey wants another ass kicking on southern politics again. But it's more fun ignoring him.

It looks like the felon lost

Stevens will no longer be senator from Alaska.

Arizona Congressman Renzi Has Charges Added

Arizona Congressman Renzi Has Charges Added To His Indictment
ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN | November 13, 2008 10:10 PM EST

TUCSON, Ariz. — A racketeering charge and other counts have been added to an indictment against Arizona Congressman Rick Renzi.

The indictment made public Thursday also adds another defendant in the case against Renzi, a three-term Republican who will leave Congress when his term expires.

Renzi was indicted by a federal grand jury in February. He is accused of engineering a swap of federally owned mining land to benefit himself and a former business partner.

Renzi pleaded not guilty to the original charges. His attorney, Reid Weingarten, says the government is "piling on unwarranted charges ... to try to coerce Congressman Renzi into a guilty plea."

Very intuitive article.

There is a lot of whites reacting in heartbreaking negative ways. They also have a transition to make. First the outrage, then the quiet depression and finally the acceptance? THEN we will have a changed world. It's going to be beautiful.

Chambliss Refusing to Speak in Imperial Sugar Case

Chambliss Refusing to Speak in Imperial Sugar Case
Friday, Nov 14, 200
By Alice Massimi

News Three was the first to tell you Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss had been subpoenaed by Savannah Attorney Mark Tate in the case against Imperial Sugar.

Tate, who represents families of the deceased, subpoenaed Chambliss because he believes Chambliss has pertinent information for the case.

In a News Three follow-up, we've gotten word that Chambliss' lawyer is moving to quash the subpoena.
Tate says attorneys for Chambliss claim he has immunity because he's a U.S. Senator.

"Our clients have said to reporters that they have felt like he was trying to influence them and dissuade them from filing lawsuits. That's the kind of activity a U.S. Senator does not enjoy privilege to conduct," explains Tate.
We were unable to reach Senator Chambliss' Office for comment.
We will continue to follow this story and bring you the latest.

Roundup of daily violence - Sunday 16 November 2008

Roundup of daily violence - Sunday 16 November 2008

Baghdad

-Around 10 am a roadside bomb targeted an American-backed Sunni paramilitary checkpoint in Shaab intersection (east Baghdad). Three people were killed (including two Sahwa members) and seven others were wounded (including five Sahwa members).

- A roadside bomb targeted a police patrol in Saidiyah neighborhood (south Baghdad). Three policemen were wounded.

- Police found one dead body in Jihad neighborhood in Karkh bank.

Diyala

- Clashes took place between a combined forces (Iraqi and American troops) and gunmen in Habash village (5 miles south of Baquba). Seven gunmen were killed in addition to two others who detonated themselves as they were wearing vest-bombs.

- A combined forces killed five gunmen in Beijat village (4 miles south of Baquba).

- The national police killed a gunman in Khalis town (about 10 miles north of Baquba).

- Around 2:10 pm a suicide car bomber targeted a police patrol in Jalwlaa town (east of Baquba). Fifteen people were killed including 7 policemen and 20 others were wounded.

Saturday: 4 US GIs, 16 Iraqis Killed; 75 Iraqis Wounded

Saturday: 4 US GIs, 16 Iraqis Killed; 75 Iraqis Wounded
November 15, 2008

At least 16 Iraqis were killed and 75 more were wounded in the latest round of violence. Four U.S. servicemembers died in separate incidents, including a helicopter crash in Mosul. ...

Bush will pardon those who tortured for him

Now we will know the names.

Russia seeking to purchase Israeli-made spy planes

Russia seeking to purchase Israeli-made spy planes
Last update - 15:26 15/11/2008

Russia is seeking to purchase Israeli-manufactured unmanned planes, a surprising announcement in Moscow revealed on Saturday.

According to the announcement, the Russian army general staff is considering the purchase because of the Israeli drone's high capabilities. If the deal is carried out, it will be a rare occurrence, as Russia seldom buys weapons and military technology from Israel.

There have been deals between the two countries in the past, but on a much smaller scale, and including lesser technology such as bulletproof vests or counter-terror equipment. However, Israel has purchased from Russia four Ilyushin planes, which will be fitted with locally manufactured intelligence equipment, for the Phalcon system to be supplied to India in the future.

...

Iran detains 10 spies near Pakistan border-TV says

Iran detains 10 spies near Pakistan border-TV says
Nov 15, 2008 12:52 EST
REUTERS

TEHRAN, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Iran detained 10 spies carrying $500,000 in cash who had entered the Islamic Republic illegally from neighbouring Pakistan, state television said on Saturday.

Modern espionage cameras and maps of sensitive regions in Iran were found when the group was detained in Iran's south-eastern Sistan-Baluchestan province bordering Pakistan, the report said.

Television did not give any details on their nationality or say when they were detained.

Sistan-Baluchestan is a volatile province known for frequent clashes between security forces and well-armed drug smugglers.

Iran has in the past accused the United States and Britain of trying to destabilize the country by supporting ethnic minority rebels operating in sensitive border areas.

...

Thanks for keeping us informed as to how

fucked up the rest of the world is. But, I thought you where against spamming?

fu bush

Yo, bamma biotch
you baked. Don't be such a jabronie. Yo just a jankity ol WB.

momofuklansman:

Why haven't you addressed Michtou's rebuttal of your asinine assertions? You have time for this kind of foolishness, why not address her rebuttal? She just delivered the dope slap heard round the world on your big, stupid cartoon face, THAT'S why!

Bye, Dummy!

I have many times, as I did today.

Try to keep up.

By momofukuNovember 16, 2008 - 5:59pm

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Shias call for Basra to be mini-state

Shias call for Basra to be mini-state
Web posted at: 11/16/2008 1:34:58
Source ::: AP

BAGHDAD: Two Shia lawmakers yesterday called for a referendum on turning the oil-rich province of Basra in southern Iraq into a mini-state.

The push signals a renewed effort by Shas to grant regions self-rule in what would be a federalist system of government.

Sunnis oppose the idea, fearing it could lead to the country’s eventual break up or isolate them from oil wealth concentrated in mainly Shia and Kurdish areas.

Sheik Kheir-Allah al-Basri, a Shia lawmaker from a small secular party, sought to ease such fears yesterday, arguing that the push for autonomy is not a “secessionist motion.”

The region of Kurdistan in northern Iraq already enjoys self-rule

While Bush could have been going after OBL...

US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq
November 16, 2008
by Gareth Porter

Last April, top George W. Bush administration officials, desperate to exploit any possible crack in the close relationship between the Nouri al-Maliki government and Iran, launched a new round of charges that Iran had stepped up covert arms assistance to Shia militias.

Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates suggested that there was "some sense of an increased level of [Iranian] supply of weapons and support to these groups." And Washington Post reporter Karen DeYoung was told by military officials that the "plentiful, high quality weaponry" the militia was then using in Basra was "recently manufactured in Iran."

But a U.S. military task force had been passing on data to the Multi-National Force Iraq (MNFI) command that told a very different story. The data collected by the task force in the previous six weeks showed that relatively few of the weapons found in Shia militia caches were manufactured in Iran.

According to the data compiled by the task force, and made available to an academic research project last July, only 70 weapons believed to have been manufactured in Iran had been found in post-invasion weapons caches between mid-February and the second week in April. And those weapons represented only 17 percent of the weapons found in caches that had any Iranian weapons in them during that period.

The actual proportion of Iranian-made weapons to total weapons found, however, was significantly lower than that, because the task force was finding many more weapons caches in Shia areas that did not have any Iranian weapons in them.

The task force database identified 98 caches over the five-month period with at least one Iranian weapon, excluding caches believed to have been hidden prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion.

But according to an e-mail from the MNFI press desk this week, the task force found and analyzed a total of roughly 4,600 weapons caches during that same period.

The caches that included Iranian weapons thus represented just 2 percent of all caches found. That means Iranian-made weapons were a fraction of one percent of the total weapons found in Shia militia caches during that period.

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In the meantime Blackwater USA shipped 900 automatic weapons to Iraq illegally. These weapons went missing. How many US troops have died because of Blackwater USA?

Pakistan shuts NATO supply line

Pakistan shuts NATO supply line
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
November 17, 2008

PAKISTAN cut off the main NATO supply route into Afghanistan yesterday, citing Taliban and al-Qa'ida attacks on the Khyber Pass, the perilous mountain trail that carries most supplies into the war-torn country for the 35,000-strong coalition force.

Taliban fighters have been trying to strangle NATO's mission in Afghanistan by stepping up attacks on convoys in the Khyber Pass, and yesterday forced Pakistan to suspend all traffic along the route.

More than 350 trucks and oil tankers use the pass each day, carrying NATO supplies that have been shipped to the Pakistani port city of Karachi.

But government officials in Islamabad said last night the suspension of the important land route had become inevitable because of intensified militant activity in the Khyber Tribal Agency.

Any long-term closure of the road would make the problem of resupplying coalition troops in Afghanistan very difficult.

About 70 per cent of the fuel, clothes and food needed by the NATO forces is transported in civilian Pakistani trucks through the Khyber Pass, a vulnerable point in the long route from Karachi to Kabul.

The route is now too risky to transport weapons, and many supplies travel on the southern route from Quetta to Helmand.

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