100% Paper Ballots, 100% of the Time

By Jesse McDougall

Forgive my exasperation but I am stunned that main stream media is doing such a poor job investigating the security (or exposing the lack thereof) of the American elections. I have worked in the technology and networking industry long enough to know that NO electronic vote is safe.

Even voter-verified electronic votes with a paper receipt are subject to electronic theft. Think of this: The country votes on November 4th. Barring any massive errors, we know the name of the newly elected (or selected) President on November 5th. There’s no time for audits, no time for recounts, no time for security checks. The number that the electronic boxes report is the number CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC will report. Changing the results of an election after calling the winner would be catastrophic for the country. Riots galore. Therefore it is vitally important that we have—and are counting—the ACTUAL results on November 4th.

There is no way to do this using electronic machines. Technologists can tack all the safeguards they like onto an electronic voting machine (paper trail, voter verification, locks, glass cases, beeps, whistles, etc.), but it is still—pardon the expression—putting lipstick on a horrendously ugly, vomit-spewing, farty pig. Once the vote is digitized it can be changed with zero evidence. One million anonymous votes can be changed in three seconds. That’s simply the nature of digital data. (Try changing one million paper ballots! I’ll give you … six seconds! Betcha can’t.)

Precautionary back-up measures like paper trails and random machine audits are useless. They’re feel-good decoration. By 11:59 PM on November 4th, the hacking has been done, evidence has been erased, and the election has been called by all the major news outlets based on the digital results. And even though exit polling in the last two elections has terrifyingly different in places from the actual election results, we have—for whatever reason—taken to the view that exit polls in this country are an unreliable indicator of how people voted…even though it is the metric by which we measure the integrity of foreign elections. (Does the act of voting turn “the good people of America’s Main Streets” into a bunch of over-protective, suspicious liars when they exit the polling location? Enough so that exit polls are wrong by orders of magnitude? No. It’s sheer insanity.)

The only answer is to use 100% paper ballots, in 100% of districts, and count 100% of them by hand. Logistically, yes, this will be a challenge. You might be asking, “How can we count California’s millions of voters in one evening?” I argue that we don’t need to count them all in one evening. Why not have a national election week? People vote at their polling station, or by mail, during this week and the votes are counted publicly in an ongoing transparent process. Early voting already successfully exists in many states, why not expand it to the nation?

Or, if we need to collect and count the votes in one night for security and chain of custody reasons, why not double or triple the number of polling places?

The collected paper ballots should be counted three times with open public supervision. The whole process—from collection to counting to reporting—needs to be absolutely public and transparent. It is shocking to me that this is not the case today. The instant that the votes are hidden from view or in private hands, the reported results are no longer valid. Currently, however, we trust private companies with political interests to ENTIRELY run our public elections. It is a mess. And it is not democracy. Shame on the main stream media for being too timid to investigate this essential piece of our democracy. You heard me CNN.

Here’s how easy it is to rig an electronic voting machine:

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Here’s the private company that runs New Hampshire’s elections:

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I suggest that all people in districts that use electronic voting machines (or even electronic ballot readers) request an absentee ballot and vote through the mail. At least then—if we have an election in November—there will be a paper record should a recount (which is actually the first “count”) be conducted.

Good luck.

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if the elections are fixed,

how did dems win in 06?

We overwhelmed you

the election was not close enough to steal but you fascists still tried.

not close?

why does that make a difference with a hacker? all a hacker has to do is change the results, even if the real results are not close.

i think the dems won nationwide

by a margin of about 52% to 48% in 06. that is not close?

Dems won

54% to 44%. That is not close.

If the race is close, it

If the race is close, it will work. But if not, it won't. Why? Because the country isn't 100% electronic. But if you have a couple of states with corrupt officials, say Ohio and Florida, you could swing the votes, using electronic machines, voter caging, having more people vote in a county than people are registered, etc...

not 100%?

90%? 85%? 99%?

wikipedia says

dems won 53% to 46%.

wikipedia says

dems won in 06 53% to 46%.

http://tiny.cc/nHLPa

yap, paper ballot elections usually wind up

leaving about 2 million votes uncounted in presidential elections. and most of those are in poor, urban areas.

repubs do steal votes...

i think dems do too or try to. obamanites stole votes in the texas primary. but repubs do this in every election. they did it in the 06 election, but they still lost. if all they had to do was hire one hacker i'm sure they would have. why didn't they?

does robert kennedy think we should have only-paper ballot elections?

paper ballot elections are flawed...

electronic voting is flawed. all systems are flawed. all people are flawed.

democracy has flaws. one of them is an ignorant electorate that puts a bonehead like bush in the white house.

mind you, repubs did steal the 00 presidential election...

but not the 04 election. bush won in 04 mainly because of ignorant voters.

In WA State

The democrat usually wins but when it's close, King County (the county with Seattle in it) always seems to find a pallet of "uncounted" paper ballots in some basement or warehouse somewhere that was somehow overlooked in the first count. These ballots always cause the democrat to win. If it's not enough, then they keep re-counting until the democrat wins. It's an ugly system but it works. The republican has to win by a large enough margin to avoid a re-count in order to take the office. So paper ballots aren't always the best answer. Maybe all voters should show ID when they vote. This will stop illegal aliens and dead people from choosing our president.

i suspect that 99% of illegal aliens...

don't want to vote anyway. but you can do a fake id with a laptop and a printer.

ok, maybe 95% of illegal aliens don't want to vote...

probably 99.99% of them don't vote.

mind you, shenanigans in chicago did give jfk the victory over nixon.

but oddly enough, those 9 federal prosecutors

were fired because they could not find enough evidence to prosecute someone for voter fraud.

Regardless

No system is perfect and with a population in the hundreds of millions, the U.S. is always going to have controversy whenever the election is close. If the supreme court ruled the other way and Al Gore won, we would all hear about how he stole the election from Bush. It's not a perfect system, but it works. Maybe if the people picked the best candidates, instead of letting the media do it, then the elections wouldn't be so close.......

The best candidates...

IOW the ones who would best represent the ideals of their party, would have been Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. That will never happen. In order to become President, a candidate has to have the look and be able to play the part. Was Clinton the BEST choice the dems could have had? Was Bush the BEST that the repubs could come up with? No, but they could look and act like the combination TV star, father figure, and CEO that voters have been conditioned to want. In that sense, politics equals entertainment.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Of course you have proof

that there are so many dead people voting that they choose the president? No? You are a filthy lil liar.

By hufflarry2000October 6, 2008 - 10:28pm

There's a throwback to the 80's. Kind of generic, but decent tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQ4y_oi9ik&feature=related

Gotta love

all that big hair and spandex.

By gt6October 7, 2008 - 10:43am

Amen. I believe that if I live a good life, when I die, my soul will go to the eternal 80s arena rock concert. Anybody for Monsters of Rock?

Sorry

If I'm gonna live in the past, It's Woodstock all the way.

By moneyosOctober 6, 2008 - 9:20pm

"In WA State
The democrat usually wins but when it's close, King County (the county with Seattle in it) always seems to find a pallet of "uncounted" paper ballots in some basement or warehouse somewhere that was somehow overlooked in the first count."

Gee I would think that we here in Portland (The next major city south of Seattle) would've heard about something like that...

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

By scottso360 October 6, 2008 - 5:09pm

Point readers to where, anywhere, in this article the author claims the elections are fixed.
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this appears to say the elections are fixed...

The RepubliCANTs have too much money invested in the electronic voting machines out there to simply turn them all into boat anchors. Not to mention the hundreds of man-hours they've invested in making sure THEIR candidate comes out on top, no matter what spot on the screen Joe Voter touches.

well, actually, this does say the elections are fixed...

The RepubliCANTs have too much money invested in the electronic voting machines out there to simply turn them all into boat anchors. Not to mention the hundreds of man-hours they've invested in making sure THEIR candidate comes out on top, no matter what spot on the screen Joe Voter touches.

poll says americans pick dems over repubs

by a 49% to 36% margin regarding congress.

I know, it's weird

Congress has single digit approval ratings but most of the incumbents will be re-elected. Why are americans so stupid??

Consider the alternative

The alternative, is that there is no alternative. For good or for bad, third parties go nowhere in our system. Until someone re-animates Abe Lincoln, I have no choice but to hold my nose and support my party, as you also do.

In my case, won't matter. Darrell I'satard will win by landslides until they wheel him out of the House chamber in a plastic bag. Most of his constituents are just that kind of ideologue.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

hot news...

mccain wants to cut $1.3 trillion... new
from medicare and medicaid.
says the wall street journal.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122315505846605217.html

By scottso360 October 6, 2008 - 6:17pm

And that was a comment posted, by another user, 40 minutes after your initial comment.
Where did the author of the thread, on which you were the first to bring up "election being fixed", talk about the election being fixed?
It's ok.
There is no shame in admitting that the author never mentioned as much. And that your chiming in with the smartass remark seemingly meant to bait Democrats might be a good indicator that you're another wingnut here to disrupt...
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i was responding to the guy who was saying...

the elections are fixed. i didn't read the article at the top of this page.

woops. senior moment. sorry.

i was not responding to that guy. i was not responding to the article really. i was responding to those nutjobs who think the elections are fixed. that guy who thinks the elections are fixed would be one of those nutjobs. perhaps i predicted someone would say what he said because there are so many nutjobs like him out there.

maybe i can see into the future. are maybe i am starting to get alzheimers.

yap, i didn't read the article. just the headline...

but i know a lot of nutjobs out there think our elections are fixed.

the writer of the above article says...

no electronic vote is safe. ok. if that's the case, why didn't repubs take advantage of that in 06? duty? honesty? fair play?

paper ballots are used around the world?

zimbabwe? i know they were used in florida. iraq? iran? russia?

thailand?

do they use paper ballots in thailand?

how about haiti?

bellorus?

so if the electronic voting machines are soooooo dangerous, why don't dem politicians complain more about them?

do they use paper ballots...

in the eu?

Don't think it's a problem?

Read Bobby Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone from 04.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_st...

By scottso360October 6, 2008 - 7:15pm

Geez, lengthy discussions with yourself. It's like HeartoHillary learned to type complete sentences and paragraphs.

They DID cheat in 06 - they

They DID cheat in 06 - they just under-estimated how much they needed to cheat by! They had to guesstimate - didn't want to make it obvious and thus get CAUGHT - they under-estimated how unpopular the GOP ticket had become.

They DID cheat in 06 - they

They DID cheat in 06 - they just under-estimated how much they needed to cheat by! They had to guesstimate - didn't want to make it obvious and thus get CAUGHT - they under-estimated how unpopular the GOP ticket had become.

There was a Whig party once--then after an election, it was gone

In my state, they sign you up to vote when you get your Drivers licence. At sixteen. They can't vote yet, but try to imagine the peer pressure on the 18-20 group to vote or have the 16 year olds beat them to it in two years. And not to mention the unpolled multitudes of cell phone users.

...under-estimated turnout?--hell yes....got to be...they'd have to dumb us all down to a drool state to pull off the size of hoodwink fraud to counter this coming General election carnage.

Turn out will be a big factor

The polls only show who a person is leaning toward IF they show up. They never really look at how enthusiastic people are. Obama supporters are fired up. McCain people are not. Sarah Palin had the extremes amped for a little while but couldn't sustain. This could be BIG.

By scottso360 October 6, 2008 - 6:45pm

i was not responding to that guy. i was not responding to the article really.
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Exactly. Because all you were doing was laying bait as disruption, dimwit.

i was responding to those nutjobs who think the elections are fixed. that guy who thinks the elections are fixed would be one of those nutjobs.
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You were responding to nothing but he voices in your little head.
And I can assure you that the guy you think you were responding to is no nutjob.

Methinks thou doth project too much.

perhaps i predicted someone would say what he said because there are so many nutjobs like him out there.
maybe i can see into the future. are maybe i am starting to get alzheimers.

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Or, maybe you're just a retread hellbent on disrupting the board...
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By SJerseyIndyOctober 7, 2008 - 9:11am

"I can assure you that the guy you think you were responding to is no nutjob"

Are we talking about Huffy here? Cause if that's the case, this may be the funniest thing ever posted here.

By Kill-Whitey October 7, 2008 - 10:11am

Are we talking about Huffy here?
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Nope.
And I won't have to fight that over here, cause I'm busy fighting it over there.
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John McCain's Economic History: http://keatingeconomics.com/

By SJerseyIndyOctober 7, 2008 - 10:41am

See, you too are gleaning nuggets of wisdom from the slayer of economies, architect of regime change, defeater of rights, master of mayhem, DUBYA!!!!

Werent you the one

saying that we should consider using nukes in the middle east? Now who is the nut job? It isnt me.

By hufflarry2000October 7, 2008 - 10:58am

Geez. A guy can build a thousand bridges and call for the extermination of one nation and he's forever a nut.

"If a man builds a thousand bridges and sucks one dick, they don't call him a bridge-builder... they call him a cocksucker.'' - Play it to the Bone

See, let me explain myself Huff, and you'll see how brilliant my plan is. If we turn the middle east into a smoking sheet of glass we can solve our garbage problem because we can start shipping it to the middle east. Then the folks left over in the middle east have a much better standard of living cause we Americans are so wasteful that they're getting boatloads of free stuff (our garbage). Everyone's happy. (Except maybe for the few million dead folks.) C'mon now, is that crazy? Crazy like a fox maybe.

By MichtouOctober 7, 2008 - 9:19pm

Sue me, I enjoy some dark humor.

Sometimes, to cure a cancer, you have to attack diseased and healthy cells in the same body. If you don't and the cancer spreads all the cells (and the body) eventually die.
Cancer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFg4hllJnw0
Cure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL6vFnD8vk4&feature=related

By scottso360 October 6, 2008 - 6:37pm

i was responding to the guy who was saying...the elections are fixed.
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No, you weren't.
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John McCain's Economic History: http://keatingeconomics.com/

By SJerseyIndyOctober 6, 2008 - 6:28pm

It's just mtmeggido brain-farting & talking to himself again. I guess that he got kicked out of another chatroom for his Paxil induced shotgun posting.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

i'm on hold with clout man....

but he's not going to let me on the air. freedom and democracy. he has on some english guy who is making no sense at all. any excuse to keep me off the air.

By scottso360October 6, 2008 - 10:58pm

Perhaps they're keeping you off the air because you're a fucking idiot. Food for thought...

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By Guy Fawkes October 6, 2008 - 10:45pm

Good call. As I began replying to its posts and scrolling the rest of the board, it began to dawn on me: "I've seen this style before".

mtmegonnapostagain.

Lovely.
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John McCain's Economic History: http://keatingeconomics.com/

I don't think there is any doubt

that this is our old Empty Megiddo. I only hope that the ban comes a little quicker this time.

By gt6 October 7, 2008 - 10:02am

Say it is so, gt6.
But I'm thinkin' the bannin' thing is next to a lost cause.
In the off chance there's a bannin', it'll come right back again, you betcha.
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John McCain's Economic History: http://keatingeconomics.com/

Good idea, but it won't fly

The RepubliCANTs have too much money invested in the electronic voting machines out there to simply turn them all into boat anchors. Not to mention the hundreds of man-hours they've invested in making sure THEIR candidate comes out on top, no matter what spot on the screen Joe Voter touches.

There IS a bright spot, though. Premier Election Systems (nee Diebold) is losing certification in state after state. Sequoia's machines aren't much better, if at all. I voted on a 1950s-era pull-the-lever machine last November in the local races, and I expect to do the same this year in the nationals, because the Secretary of State of my state of residence won't certify any of the electronic systems, despite pressure from the Feds.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Your secretary of state is ...

to be commended for her/his steadfastness over the pressures to go "electronic". Did you, as a voter feel the results of the elections, although done on "machines", were fair? I don't trust any machine of any kind for us to say on paper ballots that are counted and reported fairly who we choose as our representatives. Think of us as in a village, and how we villagers would proceed to elect our leaders.

We would gather fair and reputable citizens to watch over the counting of the votes, and the results would be honored.

one time i voted in a precinct out in the boonies...

this was a 100% paper ballot election. the paper ballot box was broken. the lid was boken and unlocked. it was bent to where you could not close it all the way.

i asked a county worker about this. she said, "we are a poor county. we can't afford to fix or replace the ballot boxes."

nader is a scumbag...

nader said there was no difference...

between bush and gore.

"request an absentee ballot and vote through the mail"

But, before doing so, be sure to consult election law for the state in which you are voting.
Each, unfortunately, has a different set of rules and requirements.

A starting point: http://earlyvoting.net/states/abslaws.php
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You can count the ballots quixkly

Most precincts are for 700-1400 voters. Get witnesses from all parts of the community, selected randomly or by lottery or any other way that the COMMUNITY of voters agrees is fair, and you'd have those votes counted in a few hours. Then make sure that every step of the way the results are POSTED and delivered in an IMPARTIAL way all the way to the top.

That's how elections around the world are done -- paper ballots filled in by hand, placed in a sealed box, opened in front of impartial witnesses, counted, etc.

Thom Hartmann, of Air America, had a REPUBLICAN expert on computer security explain all this last week. His name is Steven (?) Spoonamore. I was so pleased because this is what I have been shouting from the rooftops for 8 years.

We could make this work.

This could be done in the same way as jury duty. It would not be perfect, but I think it would be a better system than we now have.

Let's impeach the president for lying-Neil Young

so i'll try to get on john elliot's show...

mccain wants to cut $1.3 trillion... new
from medicare and medicaid.
says the wall street journal.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122315505846605217.html

oh, elliott with two t's...

i've been on his show twice.

the angels have tied the game...

with the red sox.

over 4000 body bags so fucking idiots...

can get on the air.

nope,

it's because i am an independent thinker.

By scottso360October 6, 2008 - 11:10pm

You may be independent, but brain-farting incoherent ramblings all over this blog pretty much disqualifies you as any sort of "thinker". Go sleep the Paxil off, meggido.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

red sox win...

series.

i'm listening to that cool music.

but,

am i accurate?

would not be many posts here...

without me.

Yes

wouldn't that be nice?

Thats where you fail

When you concern yourself with quantity over quality.

Why not join the baboon cage blog at the zoo? I'm sure you can fill volumes.

WOW!!!!!! What do you guys

WOW!!!!!! What do you guys think of the voter fraud being perpetuated by Obama's pet project A.C.O.R.N. in Nevada, Missouri, and Ohio? You lefties realize that is the only way you can win.

By bebeholmesOctober 8, 2008 - 12:28pm

Bwwwaaaahahaha! That's all you have? Obama won his second debate against McShitstain last night & enjoys a significant lead in every poll. It's over for Johnny-boy. Turn out the lights, the Repugnantcan Party's over.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

Provide proof of how many cases

of voter fraud have been uncovered. Cant do it? There arent any. Your masters realize that there are not enough of you dirty traitors to win an election so they must purge voters from the rolls. If lots of people vote you scum would never win another election. Stop repeating lies from a drug addict, you stinkin hillbilly.

And just watch...

While Dee Dee's still in his trailer sniveling over Obama's overwhelming victory, Rove's people will be filing lawsuits all across the country, fishing for anything they can call "voter fraud." If the Supreme Fundies step in, Crash will just be appointed president.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

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