The Truth About ACORN's Voter Registration Drive

By Bertha Lewis and Steve Kest

Election Day is less than a month away, and our efforts to make sure that low-income and minority voters have a voice and vote on November 4th are in full swing. Unfortunately, just as we've seen in previous election cycles, the more success we have in empowering these voters, the more attacks we have to fend off from partisan forces making unfounded accusations to disparage our work and help maintain the status quo of an unbalanced electorate. We want to take this opportunity to separate the facts of our successes from the falsehoods of our attackers.

On Monday, October 6, as voter registration deadlines passed in most states, ACORN completed the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in history. In partnership with the nonpartisan organization Project Vote, we helped register over 1.3 million low-income, minority, and young voters in a total of 21 states. Highlights of this success include:

We collected over 151,000 registrations in Florida, 153,000 in Pennsylvania, 215,000 in Michigan, and nearly 250,000 in Ohio.

An estimated 60-70 percent of our applicants are people of color.

At least HALF of all are registrations are from young people between 18-29.

We are proud of this unprecedented success, and grateful to everyone who supported us in this massive effort, from our funders and partners to the literally thousands of hardworking individuals across the country who dedicated themselves to the cause and conducted the difficult work of registering 1.3 million Americans, one voter at a time.

And this work is far from over: now begins our effort mobilize these new voters around local and national issues, getting them to the polls and helping to channel their commitment and conviction into an ongoing movement for change in our communities.

As The Nation pointed out recently, ACORN's success in registering millions of low-income and minority voters has made it "something of a right-wing bogeyman." Though ACORN believes that the right to vote is not, and should never be, a partisan issue, attacks from groups threatened by our historic success continue to come, motivated by partisan politics and often perpetuated by the media without full investigation of the facts. As a result, there have been a few recent stories about investigations of former ACORN workers for turning in incomplete, erroneous, or fraudulent voter registration applications. Predictably, partisan forces have tried to use these isolated incidents to incite fear of the "bogeyman" of "widespread voter fraud." But we want to take this opportunity to set the record straight and tell you a few facts to show how these incidents really exemplify everything that ACORN is doing right:

Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.

Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.

Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card, so there is NO incentive for them to falsify cards. ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the relatively rare cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement.

Fact: No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes.

Fact: Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN's good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected.

Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered and allowed to vote, so there is also NO incentive to "disrupt the system" with phony cards.

Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorneygate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

These are the facts, and the truth is that a relatively small group of political operatives are trying to orchestrate hysteria about "voter fraud" and manufacture public outrage that they can use to further suppress the votes of millions of low-income and minority Americans.

These tactics are nothing new, and history has shown that they will come to nothing. We'll continue to weather the storm, as we've done for years, and we'll continue to share the truth about our work and express pride about our accomplishments.
Most importantly, we want to assure you that this good work continues, unabated and undeterred. ACORN will not be intimidated, we will not be provoked, and in this important moment in history we will not allow anyone to distract us from these vital efforts to empower our constituencies and our communities to speak for themselves. If the partisan political machines are afraid of low-income and minority voters, they're going to have to do a lot better than coming after ACORN.

After all, there are now at least 1.3 million more of them, and they will not be silenced. They're taking an interest, and taking a stand, and they'll be taking their concerns to the voting booth in November.

And ACORN will be here, to make sure that the voices of these Americans are heard, on Election Day and for every day to come.

Bertha Lewis is a senior organizer for ACORN. Steve Kest is ACORN's Executive Director. ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is
the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income
families, working together for social justice and stronger communities.

Comments

(264)

Don't you get it?

In ConservoSpeak being poor and a minority and being registered to vote IS voter fraud.
Don't you love the neocons?
Kind of makes you want to beat them with a stick, don't it?

I guess you do not get it.

I guess you do not get it. The charges are PROVEN, maybe not yet in court, but enough to make people considering a ACORN revolt.

One mans truth is another mans lie.

.

So you're saying

...that Ann Coulter is really a member of ACORN?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Ya see

what I'm sayin' here?......
after reading posts like this and seeing yesterdays' youtube video (god I just threw up again), I'm just not sure universal suffrage is such a good idea!

Voter Fraud

Mark Jacoby, who owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state voteing laws ,Jacobys firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states,YPM is under investigation and has been by several agencies,who launched investigations into Jacoby's activities. They included the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which issued the warrant for his arrest earlier this month on felony charges of voter registration fraud and perjury. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit.Then we have this story:McCain Is Paying Nathan Sproul – A Top GOP Operative Whose Tactics Include Destroying Voter Registration Cards And Disenfranchising Voters ,Sproul Is Former Exec. Director Of AZ GOP, AZ Christian Coalition, And Head Of The Controversial GOP Consulting Firm Sproul And Associates. The RNC also paid Lincoln Strategy a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of "registering voters." The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul....Pot calling the kettle black huh ? Research Jacoby and Sproul ,I find it Interesting that every time McCains people yell 'Wolf' the WOLF turns out to be themselves....

Your post, thaelmann

is racists. Voter fraud is voter fraud. Period. Being poor, being a minority, etc has nothing to do with it.

Why do you neo-com see inject race into every debate? It is the party you claim to support that has the most to blame for the racism that has existed in this country. Seems to me, you shouldn't be so all fired up to inject race into the discussion, based on your parties history.

hey momo!

It must be terrifying for you...

1.) the latest numbers show that Obama WILL win, if he gets just ONE of those swing states.
2.) your incessant attempts to inject racism into the conversation show your desperation.
3.) Mo-moron... is there a reason that you are projecting so very much?
4.) How about you go to school and learn a little more history? Then just maybe you could:
-develop a term of derision that doesn't snap back on your party
-learn a little about what happened AFTER WWII
-develop a way to win at least ONE argument

Go back to school, momo. I have faith that, given a lot of work, and good-quality teachers, you can finish Junior High. Who knows? You might even move out of your mom's basement, and even kiss a girl!

give me lever, and a place to stand...

ACORN WILL STEAL THIS ELECTON

ACORN has hitthe streets and is determined commit voter fraud. Thatis a fact. It has occcured and is occuring now.
In Wisconsin absentee ballots, requested in the past fewweeks, are showing up at homes of deceased people.HMMM.

Is Acorn all about helping people vote? Or all about getting Obama elected. Wh do peole from New York travel to Ohio to sign up peopl to vote? Does NY have 100% voter registration?

Wake up and at least call this duck a duck.

By Jim2244October 13, 2008 - 4:55pm

Bwwwaaaahahaha! HuffPo called this before you wingnuts even got your talking points. Give it up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_13...

Your post, thaelmann

is racists. Voter fraud is voter fraud. Period. Being poor, being a minority, etc has nothing to do with it.

Why do you neo-com seem to always inject race into every debate? It is the party you claim to support that has the most to blame for the racism that has existed in this country. Seems to me, you shouldn't be so all fired up to inject race into the discussion, based on your parties history.

How is it " rascists" ?

Read it again and pay attention to the sentence structure.

Its racist because it is based on race.

It is based on race when you use the term minority.
It is also trying to paint one group as being against another group based on color of skin and social status. None of what you say is true. It is groups such as ACORN who target segments of society in order to facilitate their illegal activities. To defend such behavior, in any way, shape or form is totally unconscionable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Ashamed of myself?

You're stupid. I accused contards of racism. That's it.
Go back to remedial English.

All the

Dixiecrats that were still (unfortunately) alive, moved over to the repub party during the raygun era! (dipshit!)
Who said that!~

Again, the same old nonesense.

Why would those racists members of the democratic party join the party that fought for civil rights from their inception? The fact of the matter is, the democratic embraced racism. When they finally joined the Republicans in opposing racial injustice in this country, groups such as the KKK ceased to exist in any meaningful way. Your argument does not stand up to scrutiny.
The republican parties platform on civil rights did not suddenly take a 180 degree change.

Strom Thurman is a good example of a dixiecrat switching sides.

He joined the republicans in 1964.
Wonder why?

Because he broke with the democratic party

who at the time was opposed to civil rights. Do you know what is vote was on the civil rights bill? Do you know what his vote was on the voting rights act? Robert KKK Byrd is a better example of what the democrats really where and still are. A race based party, who panders to any group that will help them remain in power.

You are the master of alternate reality building momo.

I won't go so far as to say you are a liar, since you clearly suffer from some kind of delusional order.

Face it dude, you are so full of shit.

The only alternate reality is the one you and democrats have crafted. For the life of me, I can't figure out how you can expect anyone, especially those who where alive during that time, to believe that all of a sudden, the two parties switch positions on race, when in fact, it was the democratic party who joined the republican party in regards to race.

hey momo!

1.) no one wants to play your game, sad little troll.

2.) Your lack of current events is magnificent in it's utter paucity:
http://www.google.com/search?q=republicans+racism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t...
http://bowman.typepad.com/cubowman/2005/07/gop_chairman_ap.html
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,399921,00.html
http://thestartingfive.net/2008/09/14/obama-waffles-racist-republicans-p...
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2007/10/today-in-republican-racism-mi...

3.) Why are you here? Do you get paid extra for posting on liberal/progressive boards? Do you get some sort of second hand validation for your sick little fantasies?

Here's your toaster. Now you can go. The adults are talking...

give me lever, and a place to stand...

The divide on civil rights was geographic more than party

The dixiecrats moved over to the Repub side to fill a void in the party that gave them more power as the party rebuilt along the lines of its new base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%

When those dixiecrats switched sides, the tide of racism largely went with it.

Notice also, that in the South, a few Dems did vote for the bill but 0 repubs did.

You keep saying that, but really, it a argument that is based

on nothing. The democratic party voted as a block. Not along geographic lines, historically. You seem to want to ignore that reality. That started to change in the 60's. Exactly the same time that groups such as the KKK started to lose its power and influence. Southern whites finally woke up, and saw that the republicans where right about race relations in america, rejected the democratic parties record of exclusion, and began to work with republicans to make amends for their past misdeeds. That is one of the reasons race relations in the south are a whole lot better than they are in the north,. where groups such as the KKK still have strongholds. (Ohio and Oregon, as examples)

By momofukuOctober 11, 2008 - 9:23am

Fuck you spammer. It was regional. You continually bring this shit up to get the board off topic.

We've proven this to you and the rest of the readers.

Remember how pissed you were when you were proven wrong? You posted spam bombs and got banned?

Why do you think you belong here still? You were fucking banned. Just like the republicans are going to be banned from office soon.

No, that is a false argument.

Even JFK voted against civil rights legislation, pandering for southern votes. That's the history of your party. Propping up reprehensible ideologies for the sake of power.

By momofukuOctober 11, 2008 - 9:42am

hatey is an example of trickle down stupidity.

He knows the truth. He knows the racism of this nation was regional. It has been shown to be true. Yet he sits here spinning his bullshit.

It's no different then McCain telling us that the fundamentals of the economy are sound when everything is going to hell or when McCain tells us that he will pay off the debt in 4 years when he plans to buy back bad mortgages AND is a war monger.

You see the lies started in high places within the republican party and the behavior has trickled down. It worked for a while but now it's pay back time.

Take another look at the link

The vote was CLEARLY on regional lines. Every repub in the south voted against. Overall, more Dems voted for than repubs did. after the vote, southern dems switched parties. History is inconvenient for you, but you cannot change it.

By gt6October 11, 2008 - 9:36am

hatey is a perfect example of why the republican party is in a tail spin.

At this point his absurdity is just entertainment, No one is buying the lies from the right wing spin machine any longer.

Yo...faggot fubu2...here's

Yo...faggot fubu2...here's something about your boy messiah you might find fun.

http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/acorn1.htm

Now you're running commercials?

McCain must be seriously running out of money.

You want to ignore all the other votes regarding civil rights.

Again, because of the republicans, the backbone of the democrats was fractured. It was the republicans who eliminated racism as a political option. You do not address the end of race based voting. You know, legislation that divided certain segments of society , based on the color of their skin. That ended, with the demise of the KKK, who no longer have a voice in either party, thanks to the republicans, who did not allow them a voice in their party, unlike the democrats.

Even JFK opposed the civil rights act.

That is history. As a Senator who voted more than once against civil rights. You take one vote, out of context, to prove a nebulous point. That the democratic party, for ove100 years embraced these southern democrats, and helped them maintain a form of slavery, long after the civil war ended seems to escape you. That the democratic party helped the kkk remain a force in american politics seems to escape you. By the way, your wrong, when the dixiecrats switched sides, the tide of racism went away. I wonder why? Why did the KKK cease to exist as a political force, after the dixiecrats switch sides? Before they did, the KKK flourished. Maybe it had to do with the support it received from the democrats, and the lack of support they received from the republicans.

If that is history, the document it.

That is not one vote out of context, that is THE vote. I didn't take it out of context at all, Go to Wiki and that is what you get. Al the rest of that is before the dixiecrats changed sides. The tide of racism did not go away. It ebbed, mainly because after civil rights passed, they new the general public was against them.

Are you really that brainwashed?

Fact: The republicans have always, then and now, rejected racism.
Fact: The democrats have embraced racism in order to maintain political power.
Fact: The KKK flourished under sponsorship of the democrats.
Fact: The KKK ceased to exist as a political force when a certain segment of democrats joined the republican party.
Fact:: The democratic party is still trying to enslave minorities, via social programs, designed to keep them in economic slavery.

If you believe any of that

then go back to my post and refute the articles

or shut up!

what articles?

Your wiki post? Give me a break. If you don't believe what I say, then refute my claims. Just because there finally was a split in the democratic party doesn't prove what you say it does. What it proves is that some northern democrats sided with the republicans regarding civil rights. I say, it was about time. By the way, the democrats who fled to the republican party where those who could no longer stomach the northern communists who where attempting to seize control of your party. It wasn't because the republicans all of a sudden decided to become racist.

No, I meant the links

you ignored on the other thread

Response to hatemonger KKK you proved nothing

One link to a page that isn't there
Conservapedia
An individual's open letter of opinion - twice
and one article that actually discusses the history of the subject, but talks about the period a hundred years ago.

ON THE OTHER HAND
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/05/hbc-90000015

http://chuckcurrie.blogs.com/chuck_currie/2005/09/ku_klux_klan_jo.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/26/102651/770/31/611204

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/11/5/1349403.html

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/050119

Here you go. If you want more, let me know.

You link to.
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The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Ku Klux Klan | PBS
By 1944 the Ku Klux Klan had lost most of its influence and membership. ... Ku Klux Klan. Democratic Party. Republican Party. Reconstruction ...
www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_kkk.html - Cached

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KKK's 1st targets were Republicans
... and that the Klan played a prominent role in the Democratic Party, ... 'they [the Ku Klux Klan] belong to the reform part – [that is, to] our party, the ...
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58295 - Cached

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The Democratic Party & The KKK: Two Peas In A Pod | Progressive U
Anyway, I find it curious that people link the Republican Party to the Ku Klux Klan. ... The Ku Klux Klan reformed in 1915, & rose to prominence during the 1920's. ...
progressiveu.org/000439-the-democratic-party-the-kkk-two-peas-in-a-pod - Cached

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A Petition asking Whittington to Apologize |
He left the Democratic party and ran for President as a dixiecrat when? ... History of the Louisiana Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan ...
louisianaconservative.com/?p=208 - 54k - Cached

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Should the Democratic Party Apologize for Supporting Slavery?
... Americans today, the Republican Party is identified with the Ku Klux Klan. ... head Negro" as the Democratic Party was "the party of the Ku Klux Klan and other bigots. ...
chronwatch-america.com/articles/2400/1/.../Page1.html - 66k - Cached

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Grand Old Partisan: Republicans outlawed the Ku Klux Klan
For decades after the Civil War, the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party. Klansmen murdered hundreds of Republican activists and office ...
grandoldpartisan.typepad.com/blog/2008/04/republicans-out.html - Cached
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What They Won't Teach You in School
Whereas the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party, and their ... and burned to death by Ku Klux Klan terrorists from the Democratic Party, ...
dcbphotography.net - Cached
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American Gazette - A Committee of Correspondence' Journal
Whereas the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party, and their ... and burned to death by Ku Klux Klan terrorists from the Democratic Party, ...
www.americangazette.org/index.html - Cached

The first two

were ancient history, which proves nothing.

the third was pure opinion, which proves even less.

That was enough BS for me. The bottom line is that you have not even addressed my post. Refute the facts in those links or shut up.

!0 hours

and several posts later and still no refutation.

Also no surprise.

That vote may have been along geographic lines

but that doesn't explain the historic support the democrats gave to these fools, nor does it explain why you believe that all of a sudden, the racist of your party decided to join the party that opposed racism. Again, racism ceased to exist as a viable political force in this country around this time we are talking about. It was only when some of the democrats decided the republicans where right about civil rights, did this occur.Your failure to acknowledge the republicans role in ending this tragic part of american history is disgusting as is your failure to acknowledge the democratic parties complicity in the this American tragedy. Man up, dude. Stop trying to deny your parties past. It is historical fact, that won't be changed by your denials.

If you think racism does not exist

as a viable political force...well we already know you are an idiot. Why cant you explain why 90% of blacks are Democrats and about 95% of registered blacks will vote for Obama? Are you saying blacks are racist against themselves? Why arent there more black Republicans? You can keep posting lies but you lost this argument months ago.

hufftittie

As an independent black man, with conservative leaning views, the reason why 95% of black American’s, as you say, are voting for Obama and are democrats, is a result of monkey see monkey do. My parents and grandparents vote for democrats because that was how they where told to vote by their ex slave masters. Because of the lack of quality education in our community, we have been brainwashed into believing in handouts from big government. Now that government programs have shown to be a failure, the lockstep mentality of my community will be broken.

LMAO - ANOTHER SOCKPUPPET, hatemoron??!!

Jesus H. CHRIST in a wheelchair! Talk about fucking PATHETIC!!!! LMAO, you are fucking MENTAL!!!!

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Still cant refute my post?

didn't think so.

By momofukuOctober 11, 2008 - 9:04am

I see the spammer is at it again.

You've been educated on this issue dip shit. You got yourself banned once because you went ballistic after your education. Which reminds me, what are you doing on this board spammer? You've been banned multiple times.

At this point you are just entertainment. You are an example of why the republican party is a sinking ship. Instead of dealing with the truth, you've spent your time telling lies and now it's caught up to you.

Enjoy the change that comes. It will be good for you whether you like it or not. Now get off this board spammer.

You're a FRAUD!

Of course a liberal enamored by a socialist, totalitarian, anti-freedom candidate would want to beat someone with an opposing point of view, with a stick. Stalin and Castro would be proud of you, comrade. We (Hispanics) don't need socialist organizations like ACORN to get us out to register to vote. To assume that Hispanics need you and your communist loving .org to help them figure out how to fill out a voter registration card is condescending and (may I dare label a liberal?) RACIST.
....That is assuming of course, that you and your socialist comrades are really interested in empowering people and not just using ACORN to manipulate the vote by committing voter fraud...Which is precisely why they are under investigation....

SEE POST ABOVE

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

wait...

you're a hispanic republican?

could you be a more stereotypical self hating latino?

ask yourself "why are my people Catholic/Christian". Hint: you will need a history book.

you have zero credibility until you can explain why ANYONE with a brain would be hispanic AND be Catholic / Christian AND be a republican.

they want your vote, but they don't want you out at the country club, you stupid ass.

Oy vey!

One of those tongue-talking, pew-walking, hand-waving, crying-like-a-little-bitch-in-church, insufferably self-righteous stereotypical Latino Evangelicals, I'll wager.

Phony Baloney Vet, do you have a bumper sticker that says "Trained To Serve Jesus?"

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Pinche huey

Another racist bigot that hates Christians, Catholics, Latinos, etc. So many people to hate, such little time. Any other religious groups that you are willing to go on the record as hating? Adolf Hitler would be proud of you.
Thank God we have a Constitution to protect people from your type of hatred.

Oye, culero...

Solo porque tu hablo espanol...

Doesn't give you a 'free pass'.

PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!
YES...I'M PISSED OFF...AREN'T YOU??

I don't a history lesson from you...

....Have you read your history book? The word Latino refers to the Latin language which is Roman (Italian). The Church is based in Rome...which is in Italy. So what is your anti-religious point? That you hate Christians? That you hate Hispanics? That you are angry about the suffering of indigenous people in 1492? You have had over 500 years to get over it. So based on your logic, since you speak English you support the Crown.
How about you answer this question. Why would anyone who claims to be a liberal, suggest that politics must be based on racial lines? One party for whites, one for blacks, one for hispanics, one for asians, one for aboriginals, etc? I know why. Because deep down inside, all liberals are truly The Racists. They do not tolerate the poor or minorities having freedom of association. You believe that since you support welfare programs (that do not encourage people of color to actually pursue their own dreams) that minorities OWE you and your left wing party their allegiance as payment. I am not indebted to you with my servitude! I owe you nothing!
Our country is based on Judeo/Christian values, whether or not your party changes history.

the framers of the constitution

a) the framers of the constitution disagree with your "country is based on Judeo/Christian values" comment. read up, you DO need a history lesson.

b) you know what I mean when I say Latino, don't play cute semantic games with me.

c) i don't hate anyone.

d) my point is that the hispanic people, latino people, whatever you'd like to call them, had a rich history, their own religion (which was beautiful by the way), and that was torched into the annals of history by the europeans and their lust for gold (which the indigenous people had loads of, worked hard for, etc.)

e) language =/= religion, and what is done in the name of it. shitty, poorly thought through analogy.

f) freedom of association is one thing. voting against your personal best interest on the basis of religion, and not even getting your agenda furthered by the party, is entirely another. I would expect a thinking man like you to know the difference. I'm no racist; see my post on "white privilege" in the previous guest bloggers asstard post. I hate racism.

g) i don't support welfare programs. where the hell did you get that idea from? have I made a post you read somewhere where I talk about latino entitlement to welfare and how in return i want their allegiance? (no such post exists) or did you make that shit up yourself (maybe)... or worse, did you read it in some right wing journal and parrot it here (bingo)...

I don't feel you owe me or anyone a damn thing. I want good things for all people. As a group, the latinos are recruited by the rightwingers under false pretenses and have gotten NOT A DAMN THING from them. The Dems want your allegiance because they have the interest of mankind at heart and not their cocks and their pocketbooks, like the right wingers. Get a clue.

Dante's Burning

A). If the framers of the Constitution were alive today, trust me they wouldn't know where to begin in lecturing you and the activist judges the likes of which you and your party support. I don't disagree that you have no clue on the Judeo/Christian history of our country, including the puritan roots that the framers were raised with. You cannot speak for the framers, because you do not support (and probably never defended) the Constitution that they wrote. You support a document in name only, only when it suits you to protect your freedoms (which are inalienable and God given) but quickly call it a living document, subject to your party's mis-interpretation when it defends the rights of others you disagree with. Your alternative educational system is not the value based education we as Americans of the mid-twentieth century received, so it is YOU that needs a history lesson.
B). The point I was making with you, was that semantically, you're quick to point out your perception of the world through your narrow little mind, yet you lack an in-depth history of your own language; which in itself is rooted in inequity. At what point do you disassociate yourself with any (or all) institutions that are Euro-Centric? You think it is absurd for Hispanics/Latinos to not walk away from there cultural ties to Spain and Catholicism. At what point do you sever your ties with White-Anglo Europe? You expect Christians (who also happen to be Hispanic) to sever their ties with Europe. Why don't you start by disowning English?
C). Of course you hate Catholics/Christians. Don't be a coward as well as a bigot. Your contempt for Hispanics who are Catholic is apparent and to deny such only proves how liberals want to make outlandish statements and then want to back away from them when it gets too hot in the kitchen. The only difference between you and Adolf Hitler is that at least he didn't backtrack on his hatred for Catholics.
D). So what you want is for people of Indigenous decent (You can't call them Hispanics at this point nim-rod, because that doesn't happen till after the Spaniards began to intermarry, nor can you call them Americans, because that was only after Vespuci) to go back to their pre-European roots? You suggest they stop praying to a Christian God? You suggest they stop speaking Spanish, Portuguese and English? You want people of Indigenous (American) decent to regain their rich history and beautiful religion (which included sacrificial ceremonies) back in Mexico and Central America? Fine with me, go tell the Mexican and Central American Governments!
E). Of course it escapes you that the English language analogy was only to spotlight your asinine belief that Hispanics who practice Catholicism are brainless.
F). How do you know what my personal best interests are. There you go again with your racist rantings in wanting to divide and organize people into your neat little neo-nazi like camps. I refuse to accept your notion that Americans cannot act as individuals and must prop up banners in support of modern day Guevara's (ie. Obama...dummy) because you have separated the herds based on your discriminatory practices. I am an American, regardless of what color or creed you want to label me. Just because you think you absolved your white-guilt by posting on "white privilege" doesn't mean you can't stop yourself from judging people on their skin color.....hence your post on "white privilege." Lady though protest too much.
G). If you do not support welfare and handouts, then I do not understand why a thinking man such as yourself would be registered with the Democrat party, especially if you live in California. I don't read/listen to right wing journals. I am too busy working so I can support my family and still continue to pay higher taxes.

By the way, nobody recruited me. I believe that people as a whole (either as an ethnic group or as a country) will only further themselves when they believe in themselves as individuals and not put their faith in a Government that can easily take away what they have giveth. Your absolutely right! I have not received a DAMN THING from the Republican Party, but then again I am entitled to nothing that I have not earned myself. The false hope that the Democrats instill in Latinos are like the carrot on the stick. Somehow after all this time they have failed to give to Latinos what they have been dangling in their faces for decades. I wonder why. Probably because it is just an illusion that they are looking out for them; and for that all they (you) want is their servitude.

you're going to need more fire to burn me, Shakespeare

note: wall o text anyone? maybe you could seperate your responses with a clear line so i dont go blind.

A: you say I don't know what the framers of the Constitution were trying to accomplish; then you claim to have the corner on the market. I know we had puritan and Quaker roots, and I know the history, it's really not much of a secret. That, however, does not mean that the framers thought EVERYONE should be Puritan, Quaker, Christian, Jewish, or Satanist. I'll go ahead and state the obvious: they came here to ESCAPE religious persecution, not to INFLICT it. Separation of church and state, that phrase mean anything to you? Don't make assumptions on whether or not I defended our constitution in uniform; you don't know shit about me. I'm glad to live under EVERY rule of the Constitution - unlike YOUR current President, who has heel-toed over just about every part of it.

here's a guy who gets it: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080928/NEWS/809280310/1132/OPINION?Ti...

B: I'll just ignore this since its one of the most retarded fucking paragraphs I have ever read. And believe me, this website and the neo-trolls who frequent it have set the bar high. You assume I am white/euro and that english is my first language... LOL. I have a narrow mind?

C: Again you put words in my mouth. I don't hate ANYONE. I have contempt for what wrong has been done in the name of Christ and find it a horrible "joke" that has been played on latin americans who fervently worship a god who is supposed to love them - because they were forced to do so, under the sword. That does not equate to "hating Catholics and Christians". Nice try though. I think perhaps you are projecting, yes? You continue to illustrate that you don't understand a lick of what I'm trying to get across to you. Reading comprehension for the win.

D: No, don't put words in my mouth. I think its a travesty that a lot of latin americans don't know the history and worship the god that their ancestors were forced to under the threat of death, and had that religion raped into the culture. Do you think I'm making that assumption because I'm a racist, or perhaps maybe its because I've been a part of about a thousand conversations with open minded, brilliant latin americans - family and friends - who lament the fact that our family and friends don't know their own history and don't want to know it?

E: Your point doesn't escape me, nor does your stupid ass analogy. No one has ever been killed because they don't speak Eng... wait, never mind. Anyway, again you playing semantic games; none are necessary, but don't assume the point was lost on me. The analogy is fucktardation personified.

F: I base my ideas on what your personal best interests might be on the aforementioned thousands of conversations I have had with latin american family and friends, and my knowledge of the republican party agenda, their members, and the way they talk about people like you when you aren't around. It's not a racist idea. I don't think you need my help, I don't see you as weak or needing assistance. I see people smile through their teeth at guys like you and I think its bullshit. So sue me.

G. I don't live in California anymore. I'm not a registered democrat, I'm an independent with libertarian leanings, but I like this website.

I think your ideas about the democratic party are exactly what the republican party has in mind for you. But you go on supporting them, have fun with that. I'm sure they'll do their level best to ensure that you don't enjoy what you earn, and then your disenfranchised ass will have nowhere to turn. Trust me, they love building their golden towers on the backs of guys like you, and they can only do so with your permission, so you just go on "working so you can support your family". Keep your head down and plow or dig or teach or shoot or whatever you do to earn that "highly taxed dollar". There's a republican just around the corner waiting to steal it from you after it's taxed - at least with taxes, i sometimes get something back for my money. When a republican gets a hold of my hard earned cash, you can bet it'll be wasted shamelessly and it'll be gone forever.

Dante

nice job

thanks bud

i appreciate it!

Long Winded

You said alot.....and you lost me, because in your own words you told us that you are just ONE ANGRY PERSON. Because when you call people names that tell me you don't truly believe in FREE SPEECH. When you pay taxes....and get money back, it was yours in the first place.

if you are referring to me...

i believe in free speech, lol... i didnt even insult him, per se... just what he was saying... mostly i cursed at him because he chose to insult me and I lost my temper... and also because he made an analogy that made absolutely no sense and was not germane to the conversation.

what I meant when I said I got something back for my tax payments I meant police, roads, etc... not a refund.

Oh, looky! Hatemoron's brought out one of his

many sockpuppet's again!

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

By USNavyVetOctober 10, 2008 - 8:22pm

I don't a history lesson from you...

You need an English lesson you racist pig.

How's that Bush sponsored socialism working out for you? Or that needless war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11? Or the fact that Bush said he doesn't think about OBL? Not looking so good for you now is it?

You should have been more critical of the republican politicians. You might have stopped the damage before it got this bad.

It's so over punk!

yeah this guy's

not playing with a full card (never mind the deck).

Lay off the water pipe...

Bush isn't running for president, and what does he have to do with me looking good? Your point is?