Harry Reid to Joe Lieberman: You're No Dem

By Beau Friedlander

 

CNS News reported Thursday that Harry Reid may not allow Boltin Joe Lieberman to participate in the Democratic caucus after the November elections. Recent statements by key Democrats indicate increasing optimism regarding the expected pick-up of additional seats that will make the Connecticut senator obsolete.

"Lieberman went too far when he distorted Sen. Obama's record," said
Reid spokesman Jim Manley. "From Reid's perspective, (Lieberman) has
every right to give a partisan speech to whomever he wants. But he
doesn't have the right to distort Sen. Obama's record like that. Sen.
Reid was very disappointed in Lieberman's speech."

Manley refused to detail the precise measure that Reid is considering. As of yesterday, the consensus among the "angry left" is that Lieberman will have to hit the road.

There's speculation that if Democrats bolster their Senate majority
this fall, as many predict, they could seek retribution by ousting
Lieberman from his Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee
chairmanship, a coveted post.

Firedoglake's Campaign Silo provides video of Obama senior advisor Anita Dunn ripping into Lieberman yesterday on CNN. It seems possible that the Democrats may finally call Lieberman on the grounds of trademark infringement. He's on the surrogate circuit touting himself as a Democrat.

If Joe Lieberman is a Democrat, I'm a virgin sea monkey.

Comments

(290)

So one day Harry Reid was...

...taking his morning...umm...whatcahmacallit...and he looks down (dropped his WSJ) and he notices those two roundish thingies between his legs and says to himself..."Hey. Those might be useful to the Country".

Hey!! Lieberman is no democrat?

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How can I get Harry Reid to say something that nice to me?
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Hi Again, Dummy!

"How can I get Harry Reid to say something that nice to me"?

By BoobBoob September 6, 2008 - 11:19pm

I don't know, sphincter boy. Why don't you take Harry's dick out of your mouth so you can ask him?

Bye, Dummy!

Wanted: Home for Israeli lap dog.

Answers to the name of Joe. House broken and affectionate ( he loves to be kissed) to his master. Very trainable- offer him some cash and a seat on the board of directors of your defense company and he will obey any command.
Joe has had all of his shots and has had his integrity neutered.
Won't some one in the GOP adopt Joe?

By thaelmann37September 6, 2008 - 12:03pm

...**wiping tears of laughter from my eyes**.....

GOOD ONE!

By thaelmann37September 6, 2008 - 12:03pm

Hahahahaha!

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By thaelmann37September 6, 2008 - 12:03pm

LOL

And he's house, I mean senate broken

Psssst - shhhhhh

Joe is NOT a Democrat. He is a "whisperer". He is "Whispering Joe", the former Democrat.

This just further

This just further illustrates how petty the democrat party is.

Joe Lieberman didn't leave the democrat party, the democrat party left him.

McCain/Palin '08

By tropicaltoad September 6, 2008 - 1:11pm

Yes, Mr. Limbaugh. You are 'right'.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!

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The Democratic party finally got a regular guy who IS the American Dream. He pulled himself up from his bootstraps, worked hard and overcame diversity to get where he is today.

We already had a "daddy's boy" who could only make it into a reputable school from "daddy's connections". Even then, a low achiever, just like the one we have now.

A guy with 30 years of Senate scandals who has lived an adulterous life. So dishonest, even his wife made him sign a prenup, because she doesn't trust him either.

Whispering Joe knew he didn't have a place because the party is finally standing up to those who have lied to America. Misled America. Sent our soldiers off without proper equipment.

Joe's "friend" even put more than a hundred soldiers at risk, walking around a Baghdad market, using our troops, troops he has voted against more than a dozen times, AT RISK, using them for human body shields, for a screwy photo op. You can never trust people that do something so despicable. You can't even defend it. Whispering Joe couldn't.

I just want to thank you for pointing that out. Very insightful. The party left Whispering Joe.

By deanrdd September 6, 2008 - 1:27pm

SSSSLLLLLAAAAAAPPP!!!!!

Nicely done!

Don't forget

the other lap dog, Lindsey Graham, who was convinced that things are fine in Iraq because he got 5 rugs for 5 bucks.

Or the whopper of a lie that Gramps told afterwards when he said that General Betrayus frequently ventured outside the Green Zone for a stroll without an armed escort (no, it wans't a Ford Escort, it was an uparmored Humvee!)

LOL - Phony soldiers

Funny Harry

But you're still a disappointment.

It doesn't mean you can't be right from time to time though.

Joe

He's a repulifascist

Rangel had no-interest mortgage more than 10 years

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5glQov1wR6wtud4Ifn4-Kh9bMOcFwD930NU400

So you’re saying that Rangel’s a crook ???!!!

No surprise really. After all, Rangel IS a Democratic.

So Chawlie, how are those extra rent-controlled apartments working out for you?

Chawlie's got the Ways and the Means to screw Americans - and he does it often.

“Obama – the Dream is Alive – So, Let’s kill it before it takes its next breath. “

Cowards post and run

More of your off topic talking point bullshit, Brianna?

I say you're still a pussy. And I met my class full of future liberals last night. This is going to be FUUUN! Bet you wish you weren't a loser, huh Tractor Boy?

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Do you really believe that

Do you really believe that your students are so stupid that they will just buy into the agenda you are supposedly pushing on them? Do you believe that they aren't capable of questioning your ideas? If anything, you preaching your "values" during your basket weaving course will only push your students to the right, so have at it. Hopefully one will complain to the dean that you are teaching socialism and Marxism instead of basket weaving and you will be fired. Then you can live your version of the American dream and get on some of that sweet, sweet welfare.

If you really do as you say, you are no better than people that slash tires the morning of an election, in fact, you would be much worse. And this is something you are proud of.

McCain/Palin '08

You still haven't mastered the recognition of sarcasm, huh?

Don't worry...nobody from Mensa will be calling you at dinnertime trying to recruit you.

McCain/Palin '08: the also-rans.

Sometimes,

Getting these retards all hot under their Chinese Wal-Mart™ collars is so easy, I feel guilty.

No I don't! :) Wonder if Toadfrog's tax-supported health care pays for all that lithium and ulcer medication? :D

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

We've all had a Prof or two like libby....

I'm sure the students at Libby's Podunk Community College do the same thing we did at Penn. Just sit there like you're hanging on his every word. Bite you lip to suppress the laughter. When you feel like you're going to throw up from the smell of Brut, hair gel and body odor, just choke it back down and tell yourself once you get the grade you never have to see the pompus wind bag again.

By Illuminutty September 6, 2008 - 7:57pm

If you wouldn't have blown those professors to get your grades, you wouldn't have had to smell that shit!
:~)

How's it goin', hottie?

Awww DimBulb...

Your concern has touched mah hort with the spee-rit o' Jay-zuz.

Not.

You neocrumbs are so EASY. Obviously your sense of humor ends at the snarky personal attack. You have no concept of sarcasm, irony or satire. But then, I forget you're the bunch who put on The &frac2; Hour News Hour.

No shit, I'm flattered by your obvious obsession with me. I can totally understand your attraction to bad boys. But your boyfriend is getting lonely. I heard from Weasler, he's down by the docks a lot these days.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By tropical turd September 6, 2008 - 4:55pm

"Then you can live your version of the American dream and get on some of that sweet, sweet welfare".
By tropical turd September 6, 2008 - 4:55pm

Just like your Mom did, Frogglodyte! You don't know when to shut up, do you [ rhetorical question ]?

Bye, Dummy!

You couldn't be further off.

You couldn't be further off. My mother worked her ass off to GET OFF OF welfare, libclast is working his ass off to try to get himself ON welfare. He is working to achieve Oblahma's version of the American dream, according to Oblahma the American dream is depending on the government for your every need and voting democrat to keep the freebies coming.

McCain/Palin '08

By tropicaltoadSeptember 7, 2008 - 12:09am

So your mom was a streetwalker? I can believe that.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By tropical turd September 7, 2008 - 12:09am

See, Dummy? I said you don't know when to shut up, and you prove my point.

According to your ilk, your Mom didn't work HARD ENOUGH, or she wouldn't have ended up on welfare in the first place.

Now you are saying Lib, who has a good job and works hard, wants to be on welfare???!!!???

I believe that YOU are the one who "couldn't be further off", Bufonis frogglodytus.

Thanks for playing, but you lose again!

Bye, Dummy!

By its_so_overSeptember 6, 2008 - 3:10pm

It's a shame to see democratic politicians adopting the criminal mind set of the republicans. If this turns out to be true.

It wasn't in the US. I doubt

It wasn't in the US. I doubt there was anything illegal about it.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

Republicans attacked Democrats claiming Dems were

attacking Sara Palin cause she was a woman, and in many ways. No shit? Can I ask a question? Worse than this Republican woman attacked a woman canidate just on the basis that she was a woman, and McCain laughingly agreed? Two faced evil people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o&feature=related

By MadgardnerSeptember 6, 2008 - 3:22pm

Two faced evil people.

100% accurate and to the point!

Youtubes loaded with the stuff.

Theres videos of McCain bloopers, just making him look stupid, Obama attack videos too, people saying they cant vote for him cause hes a Muslim, some dude calling Obama a fag saying he smoked crack and blew him in a limo, all the good BS. McCain vs McCain, McCain looking stupid on FOX, or MSNBC. You know. The usual. But eventually you find the vids worth remembering.

those aren't as good as

those vids arent as good as the Jonathan the Zombie "I like Turtles" videos on YouTube. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just search YouTube for "I like turtles".

By Dantebenuto September 6, 2008 - 4:25pm

"I like turtles"...

Hey, are you from Portland, Or. too? That friggin' cracked me up when I saw it! Nothing especially funny about it, but it kinda tickles the 'funny bone' to hear that kid say it.

The democrat party left Joe

Seriously, what has happened to the democrat party? What happened to the "Ask not what your country can do for you" style democrat? There was one, his name was Joe, but he was kicked out of his party for being a classic democrat instead of today's mainstream neo-lib socialist democrat. Now the democrat party is the "gimme" party. Gimme healthcare. Gimme other people's money. Gimme the profits of other people's hard work. Gimme, gimme, gimme. Today's democrat party is trying to bribe people to vote for them, hoping that the American people will become addicted to those bribes, that is why they were so outspoken against welfare reform.

John Kennedy would be ashamed of what the democrat party has become, John Kennedy would be kicked to the curb with Joe in today's democrat party.

McCain/Palin '08

Huh?

Did you say something relevant?

*looks again*

Nope. I didn't think so.

Back to your borrow-and-spend cave, sheeple-troll. And watch and cry as your g0p slips quietly beneath the waves of TRUTH, leaving behind only a whimper.

McCain/Palin '08: the also-rans.

this is the mentality that

this is the mentality that the republicans espouse that is costing them more loyalty than any other issue. Read ex-Bush speechwriters article about the gap between middle & upper class incomes in the US. The problem is the greedy bastards at the top have stopped giving raises since around the year 2000 and cut/shipped so many jobs overseas that they have disenfranchised the middle class republican voter. This guy, a brilliant mind, sees it... why don't you and your cohorts?

Because you are so concerned that Dems want to just GIVE YOUR MONEY AWAY that you're blinded to the fact that this total fucktard Bush never met a spending bill he didn't like... and that's your big fear, I'll lose my hard earned dollars while Dems give them to the needy.

Did you ever consider the possiblity that YOU ARE THE NEEDY, asswipe?

Why do you people always

Why do you people always point to Bush to justify Oblahma's plan to increase the budget by a trillion dollars? Two wrongs don't make a right. You won't here my side defending Bush's spending because he spends like a liberal. Has Obama promised to veto any bill with pork barrel spending like McCain? NOPE, because Obama loves his pork projects.

And I'm really getting tired of this "shrinking middle class" bullshit. Yes, the middle class is shrinking, but what the dems fail to mention is the fact that the people leaving the middle class aren't generally going down the ladder, they are going up. The upper class is growing, and that is good.

This is the type of half truth deception that is the democrat party's bread and butter.

Here's another, "John McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time." Wow, he must be just like Bush then, right? Well if we must accept that McCain is 90% Bush, we must also accept that Obama is 40% Bush, because Obama votes with Bush 40% of the time. The dems fail to mention that they are counting largely meaningless votes like naming post offices, which are largely unanimous.

Distractions, smears, and half truths, it is all the democrat party has.

McCain/Palin '08

why do you people always...by tripicaltoad

Excuse me but on planet earth in the USA the middle class IS shrinking. have you not heard that gas is close to $4. a gallon? that people are loosing their houses and jobs? that unemployment is at a 5 year high? The number of people with no or inadequate healthcare is at critical mass? It's not BS its fact. It amazes me that the right wing are bible toters but forget that we are "our brothers keepers". As such, even rich folks like you should be concerned with the welfare of the "least" of your fellow human beings. Give me a break. What are you republicans so scared of?

We, THE PEOPLE are our

We, THE PEOPLE are our brother's keepers, NOT THE GOVERNMENT. Do you REALLY want the government to be your keeper??? If you want to drag Christianity into the government, prepare to have your ass handed to you. You want to drag the Bible into this topic?? Ok, I'll bite. Please, tell me where in the Bible it is that Jesus says that the government should raise taxes on the rich to provide for the poor. Please, for fuck's sake, tell me where in the Bible it is that Jesus says that the poor should depend on the government instead of their friends and family for assistance.

I'm waiting, asshole.

McCain/Palin '08

We the People

"We, THE PEOPLE" are the government. I know the Republicans don't understand that anymore, but that is the basis for our republic. They have blinded people with their jingoism, so they can pass fascist legislation (privatization for example, look it up!). They make speeches about how broken the government is, then they appoint unqualified cronies to prove it. They make speeches about their Christian values, then threaten people with perpetual war. They make speeches about the rights of gun owners, then take peoples' guns away when they need them the most (Katrina). They make speeches decrying regulations as hurting businesses, while ignoring that those regulations usually protect PEOPLE.

What sickens me the most is that Republicans complain about paying taxes, but pass legislation that can't be paid for. They claim they want to make government smaller, then pass legislation that doubles the size of the government. They confuse socialism with communism while advocating fascism (will someone please take a peek in an economics book). This is all easy to do since they have stripped our education system, demoralized our teachers, and advocated anti-intellectual curriculum.

You seem to have a few things backwards:

If we the people are the government, than why do you want to give the government more power over WE THE PEOPLE, instead of giving WE THE PEOPLE more power over the government?

How is privatization facist?
What unqualified cronies?
Christian values vs perpetual war? War has been declared on us, not the other way around.
The city of New Orleans mayor was a democrat, as well as it governor during Katrina.
Some regulations help, some don't.
Re: legislation: Your right. Sometimes the current crop of republicans do act like democrats.
Socialism and communism are basically the same thing. Suggest you read Karl Marx. Thats what he says, and he invented the damn thing.
No one advocates facism, except deluded progressives. They just call it something else.
And your educational screed is just plain absurd. Put the blame where it belongs, with the teachers unions. Even Joe Klein admits to that. See his current column.

By tropicaltoad September 6, 2008 - 5:07pm

Bullshit! Joe Lieberman is no Democrat. He's not even a Goldwater Republican. He's nothing but a pandering, self-serving fool. I say good riddance to bad garbage.

He's yours

you know the republicans are going , to lose a whole lot of seats, so you can have him. Oh wait, your party , don't want either.

Educate us.

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It's always a hoot to me how you guys defend your tax cut for the very rich and none of you are rich.

Do you really think that someone like McCain, someone whose wife has over a hundred million dollars cares about you? Cares at all?

Even after all of his votes against the troops?

Even after he said if you give benefits to the troops, they won't stay in the military.

Even after he said if you are having problems keeping your house, get a second job.

He doesn't have a single policy that help the middle class. Besides, he said the middle class starts at 5 million dollars. DO YOU HAVE FIVE MILLION DOLLARS????

Bush has bankrupted our country. Do you seriously, I mean really seriously believe that we can pay for two wars without any extra taxes? Seriously?

The top 1% own 92% of the country but only pay 80% of the taxes. You don't feel they should pay EQUAL to what they own? Seriously? You don't think that would be fair?

So we know what you think are Obama's positions which you don't even have right. What are McCain's? How will they help?

Most of what you said is

Most of what you said is bullshit lies. Middle class starts at 5 million? Bullshit, he never said that, nothing even close to that, but your lies don't surprise me, I'm used to lies coming from dems, but your first line defines you the best. "It's always a hoot to me how you guys defend your tax cut for the very rich and none of you are rich." Hate to break it to you junior, some people don't consider only what is best for themselves personally when voting, some people consider what is best for their country, and what is fair and right first. You portray how the democrat party has become the "gimme" party nicely.

McCain's policy is to let business do business, period.

Obama's plan is to tax them until they can no longer expand. The corporate tax rate is already the second highest in the world, but that isn't enough for Obama, he wants more.

McCain would rather that money go to people that work for the company. This would lead to more profits which leads to expansion, which leads to more jobs. Obama would rather seize it and distribute it via addictive socialist programs as he sees fit, people addicted to socialist programs tend to vote democrat and it's all about power to the dems. That is why they tried (and failed) to legislate defeat in Iraq, defeat makes a great campaign issue!

You have been thoroughly destroyed, so I will leave you alone now.

McCain/Palin '08

WOW, THINGS ARE SO SIMPLE.

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When John McCain and Barrack Obama were interviewed by Rick Warren at his church, Rick ask them both how much money does someone from the middle class makes? John Sidney McCain said, "I know I'm going to take heat for this, 5 million dollars?" That was his "guess". It was on TV for everyone to see.

Just a question. How old are you?

When CEOs are making a hundred million for running failing companies, you believe they should be rewarded even more money? There is no control on this rip off.

You are only repeating very simple Republican talking points. Do you seriously believe that things are so simple you can just do one thing to cause an effect. Give the very rich more money and they will make jobs for the poor sheep that make up the rest of America.

Do you believe education is a "socialist benefit"?

Ok, let me ask you something less complicated. Have you read the new Iraq Constitution and after reading it, do you believe we are "winning the war"? What do you know about the 1.4 million Christians that were living in Iraq in 2004? Where are the now? How much money will they get from the oil revenue?

Excuse me sir, but your

Excuse me sir, but your pants are on fire.

"Rick ask them both how much money does someone from the middle class makes? John Sidney McCain said, "I know I'm going to take heat for this, 5 million dollars?" That was his "guess". It was on TV for everyone to see."

LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, you are a fucking LIAR.

The question was, "How do you define rich?", NOT, how much middle class people make, you said that McCain said that the middle class started at 5 million, you are a fucking liar. What is hilarious is, that after lying and using democratic talking points that are misleading half truths at best and flat out lies at worst, you accuse me of using republican talking points!

McCain/Palin '08

Correction!!

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I think the questions to McCain was. "How much will it cost to implant a pair of nuts and a brain in both Obama and Biden...the answer was...
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5 million dollars.
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Lol, I stand

Lol, I stand corrected!

McCain/Palin '08

Homosezwhut?

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Thanks, amphibian grabasstic piece of shit...

you are a textbook example of projection.
Now why don't you take more cell phone photos of your condo in Hawaii?
How do I define rich... " bloodsucker."

trops not rich, just plays one on wannabe ladder

trop stays in a seedy apartment next to the campus.

huh, ricebowl?

By dewbie dubaiSeptember 6, 2008 - 11:15pm

LOL

It's probably off campus apartments for students. His daughter got a room and he asked to shack up with her. This way he can make sure she lives clean and moral life. In other words, her college years will not be a time to remember.

Hawaii's the last place to weather a depression

Those poor howly devils will be fighting the seagulls for scraps.

It's "haole", you should

It's "haole", you should learn to spell your racist slurs, that way you can get the most hatred from them.

McCain/Palin '08

It's "sarcasm"

...you should learn to recognize it, unless it's beyond your capacity for comprehension.

McCain/Palin '08: the also-rans.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Is

Oh, for fuck's sake. Is "it's sarcasm" the ONLY excuse you people know? AG says he hates faggots and is repulsed by homosexuality? Sarcasm. Huffy admits he lies and makes up stats? Oh, that was just sarcasm. Dewbie misspells an offensive racist slur? Oh, just sarcasm, of course! Obama flips on public funding? Well, he was just being sarcastic! Let me guess, your post is just sarcasm too!

It's kind of hard to recognize sarcasm when you call every misstep and example of hatred as it and change the definition to fit whatever you need it to be on a daily basis.

McCain/Palin '08

By tropicaltoadSeptember 7, 2008 - 2:30am

what?

Poor toadie can't keep his Talking Points straight

Did you run out of your Aricept again?

McCain/Palin '08: the also-rans.

If you sit in one spot too long, do you start to drool?

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I'm sorry. I didn't remember every single word correctly.

I said he said, "5 million dollars"?

You said he said, "The middle class started at 5 million dollars"?

So, 5 million verses 5 million?

So that makes me a "fucking liar"? Misleading and "telling lies"?

This is your defense of your candidate?

Of course, everything you say about Obama is the unvarnished truth?

I suspect you must be a creationist like Palin and McCain. Except your pathetic attempt to "create" something out of "nothing" FAILED. What a tragedy. failure is, I suspect, an integral part of your life. So terribly sad. You have my condolences. Bu bye. (your cue to "quietly" put your jacket back on and let the attendants fasten the straps, here, drink this...)

There is a difference

There is a difference between not remembering every single word correctly and intentionally altering what was said in order to vilify the subject. You lied, you got busted, end of story.

McCain/Palin '08

SITTING IN A CORNER BEATING A LARGE PAN

Please explain the difference between owning 5 million and making 5 million. YOU STILL HAVE FIVE MILLION.

You are such a fucking idiot. Seriously.

If you have 5 million you

If you have 5 million you only have 5 million, if you make 5 million you have 5 million plus what ever you had before you made the 5 million. Do you see the difference dumbfuck?

The dipshit that doesn't understand simple math calls me a fucking idiot? Now that is funny.

McCain/Palin '08

By tropicaltoadSeptember 8, 2008 - 4:19am

It must be difficult for you going through life surrounded by so many dipshits. Do you thknk it is a curse to be so smart and wise?

Unless you started with zero, turd.

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Where did you go to school? Dumbfuck high?

To answer your simplistic democratic talking points:

The McCain comment is a lie.

Regarding CEO's: That's not my decision to make. Nor is it yours. That's up to the shareholders of the company. And the legal system, if a criminal act has occurred.

Education: Until just recently, education was a function of local government. Not the federal government. The quality of education in this nation declined since the federal government started interfering, back in the 50's. The intention was noble, (civil rights and integration), but the expansion beyond the original intent has brought disarray.

The high level of violence in Iraq has affected every sector of the Iraqi population, and Christians are no exception. That level of violence is subsiding. By the way, Christians make up less than 2% of the Iraqi population. I would hope the oil revenues will be distributed along secular lines, not religious ones. But, that is a decision best left to the Iraqis themselves, not you or me.

REPUBLICANS HAVE NO HEART, NO SOUL, AND NO MIND.

I'm sorry that you are crazy.

IRAQ HAS WRITTEN "ISLAM" INTO THEIR CONTITUTION AS THE "NATIONAL RELIGION". Iraq is now a FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT. DUH!!!!!

Iraq WAS secular, GET THIS IDIOT, under SADDAM. That's right. Under Saddam, IRAQ WAS SECULAR. Is this happening or is it the hash????

What is the part that you don't get?

Less than 2% sounds like nothing. They can go ahead and murder less than 2%.
How much is less than 2%? Well, it WAS 1.4 MILLION. You heard me, 1.4 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS.

Now, there are less than 700,000.
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY???? As if American Christians give a shit.

IMPOSSIBLE.

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If you people want a debate, then by all means.

But when you come up with things like, "5 million? You liar, he said starts at 5 million (which, by the way, is even worse")

Or that Iraq will become a secular state?

Or any such nonsense,

HOW CAN YOU DEBATE????

Tax education

In case you didn't know, taxes and prosperity in our country are strange bedfellows. We were actually more prosperous when everyone paid a higher percentage in taxes. The low tax rates we enjoy today compare most readily to the beginning of the Great Depression. http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

As for Socialism, social programs gave people jobs and effectively pulled us through the depression and the war, although WWII almost bankrupted us again. Ending the war put us over the top, mainly because of the infrastructure built by the New Deal and everyone elses infrastructure being destroyed. Now that Europe and Japan have rebuilt and held tight to the socialist provisions of the Marshal Plan, they are surpassing us on every front.

Socialism doesn't mean the government controls everything by the way, that's communism. It means the government owns the entities that provide the infrastructure and basic services to the people, that's it. Capitalism does not work without socialism, because people are inherently greedy. Neither communism nor pure capitalism are self sustaining, they both end with a few haves and a bunch of have nots.

This convoluted wordsmithing is used to evoke images of totalitarian regimes, which have nothing to do with socialism. The same way many liberals use the term Nazi and fascist to describe conservatives. It is the totalitarian aspect of these governments that is so dangerous, not their economics.

Please, flip through an economics text book before you post again.

There is one thing that seems to have escaped notice

by those on the left. Both McCain and Lieberman were acceptable to them in 2000. Eight years later, both are unacceptable. I really don't believe either has changed, much in those intervening years. I believe it is the democratic party that has changed. Actually, McCain was recommended by Biden in 2004 to be Kerry's running mate.

The problem with them both, Ramen Boy

Is this:

Any questions?

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Only in your mind does it explain anything.

Oh, by the way, I am still waiting for you to follow up on your invite. I will need at least a weeks notice, so that I can check my schedule, and make arrangements to take the day off. Shall I expect your class to attend? Or maybe we could have an open and civil discussion as part of your class? Or just you, me, and a couple of civil auths, to keep you from going postal? It's up to you. I'm flexible. I feel that since it was you who extended the invitation, I would leave it up to you to set the agenda.

You are inviting yourself to my class?

Sorry Ramen Boy, I only allow qualified speakers with an actual something to say. But I can set you up with someone in the Psych department. I'm sure they'd LOVE to have you speak on "What It Is To Be An Authoritarian Follower" or "My Life As A Stalker."

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

No, I am not inviting myself to your class.

I was following up on the invitation you extended to me in a previous thread. Are you now flip-flopping on that invite?