Today's TRMS
Good morning/afternoon/evening TRMS fans! On today's show Rachel will be talking to Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean about his southern state voter drive launching today in Crawford, Texas. No word yet on whether or not he had time to clear some brush. Also, Rachel welcomes Ben Smith from Politico.com back to the show. They will be talking about John McCain's poor and potentially damaging sense of "humor."
- July 17, 2008








Fancy pants
Howard Dean?? And Rachel says she can't get big names on her show, I'm excited! And Crawford, TX? Really?
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By Bclinton21July 17, 2008 - 4:52pmDean was on back in January.
Dean was on back in January. I listed to it just recently in the podcast section.
http://airamerica.com/content/dnc-chairman-howard-dean-talks-rachel-madd...
The notable part, in hindsight, is Dr. Maddow's prediction that the Democratic Primary would be over way too quickly.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 17, 2008 - 5:54pmRachel's Predictions
Despite her brilliant, funny, and spot on analysis, Rachel's predictions this season have been consistently off the mark: a short and "stupid" primary calendar, a delusional Clinton fighting to the convention, and the Super Bowl Champion Patriots walking all over those puny Giants. Given this track record, I was happy to hear her predict John McCain's victory in November. Here's hoping the streak continues.
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By rhitJuly 17, 2008 - 6:46pmHeh, that's an interesting
Heh, that's an interesting way of looking at it.
I'd add another thing or two to her list of bad predictions. But you know what? Predictions are hard. It's interesting to talk about them in hindsight, but I don't want to imply that getting them wrong is a significant failing.
In college I had a professor whose expertise was German history. Any time we asked him what would have happened if certain events had gone differently, he refused to discuss it. He said that he didn't want to make predictions because 6 months before the Berlin Wall came down he gave a speech where he predicted that the wall would never come down. That put him out of the prediction game.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 17, 2008 - 9:03pmNo fault intended.
No fault intended. Certainly, all of her positions were defensible...I just hope she's wrong one more time.
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By rhitJuly 17, 2008 - 11:33pmPssssstt
Hillary (and/or her supporters) is supposedly planning to enter her name her name into nomination come August and if that doesn't smack of "a delusional Clinton fighting to the convention" than I don't know what does. So unfortunately, I wouldn't count that possibility out just yet...there may be more fireworks at the convention than is generally expected.
May I just add that if Hillary does manage to make some "news" come August, well my partner is planning on leaving the Democratic Party for good (as would I, but I left last year when Congress was playing around with FISA and torture).
I'm with Rachel on this one and have found her to be more accurate than most when predicting political repercussions!
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By Polly Tics (not verified)July 18, 2008 - 7:56pmin response, to HRClinton write in campaign
---{Pssssstt new
Hillary (and/or her supporters) is supposedly planning to enter her name] By Polly Tics / July 18, 2008 - 7:56pm ----
I hope your no surprised...remember, HRClinton only suspended her campaign, she did no conceded it. she still holds her electoral delegate and super delegate counts.
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By finnperkinsJuly 18, 2008 - 9:02pmIf she puts her name in, it
If she puts her name in, it won't be an effort to get the nomination. It will just be a symbolic thing. Perhaps she'll do it as a way of showing off how close she came. That might get her a little more leeway in asking Obama to lend her an ear on her policies, but she's not going to try to take the nomination. She knows that could just make her into a joke.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 18, 2008 - 11:36pmfinnperkins, When it comes to HRC, anything is possible
As my comment inferred, since she merely "suspended" her campaign, she CAN (and most likely will) enter her name into nomination at the convention this August, so why would I be surprised? Disappointed? Yes, but surprised? Hardly.
Nothing surprises me when it comes to Hillary Clinton...
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By Polly Tics (not verified)July 22, 2008 - 3:44pmI've never made my lack of support...
...for "Saint" Obama a secret, but the absolute, out-and-out, bald-faced lie--that Michelle Obama said she had "never been proud of her country"--which is still being promulgated by the lapdog media, despite the FACT that any viewing of the unedited clip clearly reveals the key qualifying word "more", gripes my ass something fierce. Specifically: http://www.kval.com/news/national/25566374.html (scroll down to the sixth paragraph).
More and more I'm glad I never chose journalism as a career.
Cap'n Hussein Crusty
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By capn_crustyJuly 17, 2008 - 4:59pmAhoy!
I quite honestly have a hard time with the whole "pride" thang in the first place. I think it my upbringing. I was never taught to be "proud" of my country. In my growing-up-book, pride was one of the 7 capital sins, not a good thing to be.
As I grew up, I have found that "pride" has been used to divide people, rather than unite them. AKA, pride in one's nation used to vilify another. OR... used by an oppressed group to try to lift up itself somehow.
I still have a hard time with "pride"... or better say "Pride," with capital P.
Maybe part of it is because I was raised in countries that have a history of military dictatorships. People in the military were NOT looked at as honorable, but rather with distrust. In addition, because of the dictatorships, the military created an environment of corruption that benefited them, even though they are no longer in power. Thus, the military as a whole has no good credentials.
Here in the US, on the other hand.... the military is held to an extremely high regard. I myself am amazed to hear Rachel call herself as a national security liberal. At times she sounds to me as being very militaristic. It was good to read in the NYT that her dad was in the military during the Vietman war because it helped me put her comments into context.... but still... I can get uncomfortable with her comments. Heck! One of the things that I consider a family bonus was when my dad left military school when he was young.
I can't help but see a connection between American pride, and this being a very militaristic country. Maybe, only maybe, this is why the US does not seem to hesitate to get involved in wars in other countries, or launch covert operations to disrupt democracies. Not sure if this is the case or not, but it is something that makes me go hmmmmm.....
This always gives me a lot to think about. Quite honestly I have yet to come to some conclusion of my own about the whole concept, be American Pride, military pride, Native Pride, Gay Pride, or being proud of being who one is. At times I wish we could just be OK for things to simply be, without any qualitative (proud v. ashamed) attached to it. And then at times I think that it is awesome to be proud of fill-in-the-blank. This is one of the concepts that intrigue me about my new land, and how I fit in it.
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By cool_princessieJuly 17, 2008 - 6:40pmI've always felt...
...that "heritage" is something someone else did. What's to be proud of in that?
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."--Pete Townsend
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By capn_crustyJuly 17, 2008 - 6:43pmPride is a sin
As Elvis Costello sings: Why can't a man stand alone?
Must he be burdened by all that he's taught to consider his own?
His skin and his station, his kin and his crown, his flag and his nation
They just weigh him down
You know pride is a sin that we tend to forgive
But it gets hard to live
When you don't have the love in your heart to begin with.
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By JHUCJuly 17, 2008 - 6:49pmDid I just hear that?
Tell me it ain't true! I did NOT just hear Rachel do an ad for a night cream. Tell me that she did NOT say that she did her research on this new "anti-aging breakthrough." Tell me it ain't so... I can take gold ads, snake oil is harder to swallow.
Rachel, if you use that "Night Skin Formula," you are going to lose some SERIOUS butch points.
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By cool_princessieJuly 17, 2008 - 7:03pmcool_princessie: Apparently you missed her passion red lip gloss
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On MSnbc Greg RACE tonight, her makeup artist went ballistic highlighting her kisser too. But as far as keeping score, HUH? The glare from Matthews fish lips that give the impression that he's about to drool throughout the show is far worse.
BTW:
Hasslebeck crying on The View over nigga, as Abrams Verdict just pointed out, is off the chart more interesting than the chattering about the morality of stumping rejuvenation potions. SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
If the Cuban who owns Dan Rather, offered RM megabucks to do her own show in the nether regions of the cable dial, she should turn it down? HA!!! GET REAL!!!!!!!!
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By SingSingJuly 17, 2008 - 10:01pmYes I did!
I have dish and I get the East Coast feed. Which means that RTTWH comes on at 3 pm, when I'm at work. When I get to work from home I sometimes have a chance to take a peek. But thanks for letting me know. I will see if I can find it in the youtube. LOL
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By cool_princessieJuly 18, 2008 - 12:51pmSing Sing.. I saw the lips
I found it on the MSNBC site.... It made her right-leaning chomper more visible. I think that this is the only thing about her that leans right.
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By cool_princessieJuly 18, 2008 - 7:35pmHmmmm
Why shouldn't soft, healthy, vibrant skin be compatible with "butch"? Feels great against the cheek and the lips! No points lost here.
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By AndreaJJuly 18, 2008 - 12:10pmWhen you put it THAT way....
... there is little arguing from me. Should we start the Night Cream for Butches fund?
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By cool_princessieJuly 18, 2008 - 12:53pmWhen rape is unavoidable.....
.... you better relax and enjoy it.
It is not news... it is a common Brazilian saying. It is said quite often, actually. Although it involves rape, and the phrase comes from sexism, it is the Brazilian equivalent of "when life throws you lemons, make lemonade." It is used exactly in the same way.
... granted, the language and imagery is much more violent... but then, it is a VERY different culture where things are expressed in a more crude way and with less euphemisms for some things, and more for others. And yes, Brazil is VERY sexist, and this is one of the MANY sexist phrases and common wisdoms used on a daily basis.
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By cool_princessieJuly 17, 2008 - 7:16pm"how much is a Brazilian?"... what good for theBrazilian doesn't
[in response to When rape is unavoidable..... - By cool_princessieJuly 17, 2008 - 7:16pm ]
.make is any easier to accept for the American. The last time I looked out the window, besides the rain (fla), I was in America. where we save hoards of documentation, I think it is called the constitution, in which even with the new FISA hacking, the 4th amendment still allows us to say what we want.
but somewhere in America there is a mother telling her son, "you that you always say yes sir, or yes madam, always chew with your mouth closed, no elbows on the table, always where a shirt to the dinner table. ... and some where between birth and adolescence, she informs her son that "when a girl say no, she means no", and "never tell a joke you can't say in the house of the lord"
Ok, maybe I hope that this conversation took/takes place. SO I ask...What was your point in posting the above [When rape is unavoidable.....], because you give us the a fact, and excuse, but no solution or rebuttals to this clam.
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By finnperkinsJuly 17, 2008 - 8:33pmIt was just an illustration
Maybe I should have been more obvious and said that the phrase is nothing new, and nothing invented by republicans... no originality. I was comparing the phrase to the lemons thang to incorporate some cultural information so that it could be more understandable. It seems that this got lost on some, such as yourself.
I see no need to excuse, provide a solution, or rebut this claim. It just is. It is not good or bad, not better or worse... it simply is. If you want to judge Brazilian culture go ahead.... it isn't perfect, but neither is American culture.
For example, you say that an American mom is telling a kid somewhere not to say a joke that wouldn't be uttered in the house of the lord... well, a mom in Brazil is telling her kid to respect her/his elders. And in Brazil this is not just plain talk. The system is designed to enable older people to live with dignity. I could list the examples, but they are too many, and I don't have the time or the disposition to humor you with this. I will only say that every time my mom comes to visit, she is horrified how she, along with other seniors, is treated in the U.S.
.. or as I call it, "The land of the Free, where everything is prohibited."
So please, keep the holier-than-though attitude where it belongs, in the garbage.
It never fails that during a cross-cultural conversation someone has to immediately come out and imply how his/her country is better, and fail to understand that such thing does not really exist... Maybe you should read my post about pride!
Oh! And by the way... about your American mom telling her kid that when a girl says no, it means no.... then how come a woman is raped every 3 minutes in the U.S. Oh wait! It must be all us immigrants who cross the border in the dark of night. Sorry, I forgot how we are all criminals. Jeez, how could I ?! Silly me.
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By cool_princessieJuly 18, 2008 - 12:44pmActually,
Actually, my favorite Americans right now are 1) the first-generation immigrants you meet in the States, and 2) the Americans you meet abroad. Forget 2), because I'm here now.
In Seattle, 1) the first-generation immigrants have the best knowledge and general experience, the best educations, the best food, and the best clothes. They grew up in social systems/networks/families that aren't broken. They're warm and real, apart from the Germans who are cold and real, but I know how to spar with Germans...
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaJuly 18, 2008 - 2:06pmYeah, just ask them about
David Hasselhoff
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By Darkstar1July 18, 2008 - 2:11pmCruelty and sadism
Haven't we had enough of these types (Bush, Cheney, Rove)?
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By chemgirlJuly 17, 2008 - 7:42pmRM HINT: A YOUTUBE of the PORNOGRAPHIC MEDIA COVERAGE GAP, ay?
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That rundown of the PRESS NOT outing McBush's reversals, LIES via FIORINA (cat'y) composed in a Colbert style "Word of the Day" layout YouTube, or a JibJab, would be nice.
Perhaps if it were done with celebs doing one item each, morphing from one to the next, like the "King of Pop" did in his MTV '80s reign (Black Or White Album: Dangerous www.youtube.com/v/YVoJ6OO6lR4 ), with Shawshank Redemption, Thelma And Louise, 30 Rock and SNL cast members would even go viral.
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PS:
"UN-FUNNY": DROLL, OFFBEAT, UNCOOTH, VULGAR, RUDE, CRASS, lascivious, loathsome, lurid, nasty, offensive, rank, repugnant, ...
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By SingSingJuly 17, 2008 - 7:56pm"UN-FUNNY": DROLL, OFFBEAT, UNCOOTH, VULGAR, RUDE, CRASS...
...lascivious, loathsome, lurid, nasty, offensive, rank, repugnant". So we've been saying!
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."--Pete Townsend
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By capn_crustyJuly 17, 2008 - 8:01pmSpeaking of under the radar ....
Hedonic Scissor Crisis
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By SingSingJuly 17, 2008 - 8:24pm"Why do skunks...
...smell?"
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."--Pete Townsend
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By capn_crustyJuly 17, 2008 - 8:25pmSTUFFEDcrust: 4 the same reason male pussycats spray their turf
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By SingSingJuly 17, 2008 - 9:20pmAw, cute little puddy tats
And the usual pointless cut-n-paste, as opposed to the (apparently) difficult practice of link-posting.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."--Pete Townsend
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By capn_crustyJuly 18, 2008 - 2:22pmBecause they have noses
Duh.
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By Darkstar1July 18, 2008 - 1:28pmObama's Lead
Some wonder why Obama is not leading by a landslide. I'd like to suggest two reasons; first, it's early. Wait until after the debates and closer to 11/4. Second, like many (my guess here) I'm part of the "registered" undecided (12% per CNN today). Sure if today was 11/4 I'd place my vote for Obama but today is NOT 11/4 and I reserve the right to hear the whole story; debates, detailed plans and more. That said, McCann would have to come a long way out of Bushdumb (not a misspelling) to earn my vote.
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By jerrylJuly 17, 2008 - 7:54pmWhy do we like Mr. Dean? Sen. Obama a "Gym Hound?
Okay I'm back. no thanks for my computer's OS, but any... If Mr. Dean was awarded the Chair of the DNC, as a consolation prize, Does that mean Sen. Clinton will be the Sec'ty of State, I considered the DNC chair position, but I can see Mr. Dean whining about it soooo much that it would not be worth it. SO I also do not like the fact that the Sec'y of State the third inline to the oval office has the word Sec'y in it's title, since the current administration is adlibs with the constitution, why don't we
have them change the title to something that fits the position, like office of the CYA of State, I am sure that is what Condi Rice has been doing for the past 7.75 years.
I lived in Vermont for 4 years including the Mr. Deans Run for the White house. Where in that 4 years I lived with people who were natives of the area and felt the digression of respect for this guy. the Civil union (as a card carrying member of the local gay club, and a member of HRC I am still feel there was a better way of settling that issue than to shove it down the lives of the local Vermonters ) was the icing on the Rodney Dangerfield cake.
I respect Ms. Dean more, because she know to stay out of the "on fly" decision to run for President. the programs that are part of the Vermont life line were instated by the Clinton years, therefore the D-Gov'rs got a free ride to the Gov'r mansion during those years, yet they seem to be the last to speak for Sen. Clinton when she was running full throttle for the Oval office, the term most used this season is "thrown under the bus comes to mind.
NOW on the the GYM, the idea that the gym is the think tank for Sen. Obama is unsettling. I see the use of the gym as another way for Sen. Obama to get his head together in private, whether or not there are others involved is unknown to me, and hopefully he does not endup on Chris Hansons Dateline sting " Men soliciting sex in Gyms", seems that is where most of the most recent Men of like minds get caught.
enough said ... for now.
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By finnperkinsJuly 17, 2008 - 7:56pmHRC as in...
...Human Rights Campaign???
Dump them.
They are one of the most inefficient gay org in the country if not THE most... They are now celebrating the senate vote overturning the immigration ban on HIV+ people. What they are not telling you is that HIV became the ONLY communicable disease to be enshrined into law in 1993, when the so-called most gay-friendly president in US history -- yes Clinton -- signed discrimination into law.
At the time HRC was SOOOO gaga over Clinton that he gave us the HIV ban, don't ask don't tell, and DOMA. All on HRC's watch....
Don't believe their hype. An extraordinary amount of your money goes towards marketing HRC to the choir, sell t-shirts and hats, and making more money to repeat the cycle. If you want to give to the LGBT community, give it to our legal orgs like NCLR, Lambda Legal, Immigration Equality, etc. Your $$ would be more wisely spent by them than by HRC.
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By cool_princessieJuly 17, 2008 - 8:03pmI do agree with you on the HRC spending.. I never understood..
why these foundations and movements market themselves with "donations for swag". when keeping the money and a simple sticker will do, I guess they have to explain their sticker.. unlike my simple sticker I have had for years
... "kill your television"...
maybe a new ticker is needed.. HRC loves HRC... (as in Hillary Rodham Clinton)
or maybe
"e=mc2 - - like ,you don't have to be Einstein to love your neighbor".
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By finnperkinsJuly 17, 2008 - 8:23pmKnow what?
I ALWAYS forget that people call Clinton HRC. I assumed it was the Human Rights Champaign that was talked about because the word "member" was used.
And on further HRC truth telling... what is a political organization like that doing having stores in DC, SF, and I think NYC? I've shopped at the AFL-CIO store, which is located in the same building as its offices. But I have yet to see AFL-CIO stores all over the place. I just looooove to see gay money going towards paying retail store rent, and making hats and t-shirts in an industrial scale.
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By cool_princessieJuly 18, 2008 - 12:50pmRachel, the press will never
Rachel, the press will never talk about McCain's jokes and stupid remarks. Jon Stewart is the only one who talks about what the politicians do and say. And he does a comedy show.
You sit with those so called reporters every day, they aren't going to beat up on McCain. Matthew's leg tingles with the sight of McCain, Russert never took on McCain or any republicans. And they don't give a darn about the jokes about women because they don't give a sh*t about women. Some just happen to be married to women.
McCain gets a pass and will continue to get a pass. Now had those remarks been made by a democrat the press would be going nuts over them. Pun intended, they are still talking about Jesse Jackson and he is running for nothing.
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By HelgaJuly 17, 2008 - 8:07pmsoftball team
You could never replace the old AAR team, the fabulous Jim Earles! Speaking of the good old days, where is Kris loPresto these days?
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By Lunare1July 17, 2008 - 8:21pmLunare1: Ask Mark Greene. He knows everything.
http://airamerica.com/clout/blog
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By SingSingJuly 17, 2008 - 8:42pmLooks like...
...the JibJab boys are at it again.
http://sendables.jibjab.com/
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."--Pete Townsend
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By capn_crustyJuly 17, 2008 - 8:36pmbut isn't the fact that FISA was a yes vote for Sen. Obama....
offer us more of the same. Yes he said he was compromising for the better of the totality of the bill. Well will he be using the same syllabus for his term in office, will we get to keep the roe vs wade, but well have to give up our anonymity ?, will we be able to get birth control covered by our insurance companies, like the the men get with viagra, Yes you can just make sure you are married before you take part in faux procreating.
I think you can see where I am going with this thought. I just hope that his daughters, unlike Pres. Bush's Daughters, spend time offering youthful enlightenment. i know Jenna is supporting Sen. Obama, but I think going progressive now a like offering the pill after the fact.
Sen. Obama hasn't offered me any formation of his platform other than it will changed from what we are dealing with now, wow... the gas pump keeps changing and that change doesn't make me feel any better
Like I said before in an earlier posting... I want change in my hand when I offer a dollar bill,
p.s. - I can't wait for the eco-bimmers to arrive at the local dealer. I am going to get one in white and then have it fitted with a giant corn husk...ethonal is the way to go, I did have an old 240D benz that ran on strain kenny rogers rosters chicken oil.
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By finnperkinsJuly 18, 2008 - 1:44amJesse Helms
I will remember Helms as the source of the nastiest and most morally and intellectually vacuous campaigns I've ever encountered. He never soiled a single one of his campaigns with dignity or decency. He was a deeply mean-spirited man.
Stashed away somewhere, I have a piece of authentic campaign literature from Helms's race against Jim Hunt. When I was handed the thing by a Helms campaign volunteer way back when, I immediately spotted it as a keeper. It's a booklet of childish hand-drawn cartoons illustrating why Jim Hunt was dangerous and unworthy of a Senate seat. One of the cartoons depicted Jim Hunt perched on the trunk of a convertible packed with scantily clad gay men who are waving liquor bottles, kissing each other, displaying limp wrists, and leering lasciviously as the car races out of of control directly at an innocent young child in its path. Jim Hunt is obviously having the time of his life -- grinning wildly, tippling straight from a bottle of hootch, and (if I remember right) clutching a document entitled "Homosexual agenda." Whoever drew the cartoon forgot to add an angry Jesus shooting at the gays, but otherwise it does a really good job of stuffing just about every insane stereotype into one compact image. Not much text to speak of in the booklet -- the demographic at which it was aimed tends to have a few difficulties with the reading thing.
The booklet was famous even in its own time -- ranked right up there with the blatantly racist tv ads that Helms ran in the Senate race against Nick Galifianakus. If anybody's interested in having a copy, let me know and I'll see if I can dig the thing up. But you have to be something of an elections geek to stomach the thing.
Jesse declared war on "the gay" long before HIV/AIDS surfaced in America. The man would say pretty much anything that he thought would throw the "eastern media into apoplexy" (to cadge a phrase from a Chapel Hill writer), whether he believed it or not, simply because he found it amusing to provoke people (in exactly the same way some people derive glee from kicking dogs and watching them howl). But when he went off about "the gay," he meant every vicious crazy thing he ever said. He meant to inflict harm, and he did inflict a great deal of harm.
Finally, for years, I couldn't fathom why Helms was rabid about the Panama Canal. Besides "the gay," the Panama Canal was one of his most heart-felt and most filibuster-inspiring issues. He was incapable of talking about the Panama Canal without pounding a podium and spewing spittle as he ranted. About two months ago, I stumbled across a bunch of huge clues about this, and it's absolutely astounding. It's some of the weirdest racial reasoning I've ever dug up. It hooks up with (a) James II of England and the Jacobites' demands, as perpetuated and expanded two centuries later by (b) the aims of the Confederate States of America for "Phase Two" of the Civil War. (Phase Two of the Civil War, as envisioned by the CSA, never materialized, because Phase One (i.e., kicking the Yankees' butts) didn't quite pan out as planned.)
I think I can make a pretty strong case that Helms saw relinquishment of US ownership of the Panama Canal as an infuriating abandonment of a centuries-old dream of a faction of mid-17th- Century Ulster Scots who wanted to own and settle Cuba, Panama, Mexico, and other points south. Seems conspicuous that the CSA also reportedly had plans to conquer Cuba, Panama, Mexico, and parts of Central America after defeating the Union. So, I think Jesse was trying to keep the US invested in some small part of Jefferson Davis's grand plans. What a great guy, huh?
Bottom line - Jesse Helms was the intellectual and political heir to Josiah Turner in North Carolina. Helms's rants during the 6:00 am hog reports on rural AM radio in the late '60s -- and gobs of his campaign literature -- were obviously ripped directly from the pages of 1868-1871 editions of the Raleigh Sentinel (Turner's newspaper which prominently bore the KKK insignia in its masthead). But nasty old Josiah Turner arguably had an excuse for his behaviour and beliefs -- namely, that he had metal in his head, left over from the Battle of Gettysburg. According to Michael Barone's Almanac of American Politics, Jesse managed to "fail to complete a degree" at no fewer than four colleges and universities in NC, even without the benefit a tragic head injury. IMHO, that means Helms leap frogs over Josiah Turner in the "most shamefully bad man in American politics" pageant.
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By essicJuly 18, 2008 - 8:31amessic, on Mexico....
There is an interesting documentary titled Wet Back.... Unlike the name suggests, it's actually an immigrant-friendly documentary -- actually, many immigration activists were puzzled by the name.
Anyway, the film documents the perils of crossing the border, especially for people coming from countries south of Mexico. It explains how, through trade and immigration laws/treaties, the US has de facto extended ITS borders into Central America.
I don't have the link to it, but if you use the google you may find it.
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By cool_princessieJuly 19, 2008 - 11:39amI'll be glad to see the film
There's a very talented North Carolina news reporter named Joe DePriest who's written for several outstanding newspapers (the Charlotte Observer, the Greensboro paper, and the Shelby Daily Star) over the years. At one time, he was working on a book about a movement of NC slave-holders into Mexico. There were slave-owners from my hometown who, near the close of the US Civil War, packed up, left the western NC Piedmont region, and established new plantations -- complete with slaves -- in Belize. Joe was tracking those slave-owners and the physical remnants of their plantations down there. Fascinating stuff.
I don't think there's terribly much controversy about the idea that the Confederates planned to conquer Mexico, Cuba, and Panama after running the Union out of the South. I think most historians will tell you that there is no smoking gun -- no single contemporaneous document -- that formally states that aim. Historians have been trying to find such a document for years. But I also think it's generally accepted that the plan did exist or was being formulated. There's lots of circumstantial evidence for it, and there's even more circumstantial and direct evidence that the CSA hoped to extend its borders -- at least eventually -- all the way to California.
To think that this history is irrelevant to modern times seems a bit naive to me. It's pretty severe stuff, and it has to have had some impact.
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By essicJuly 20, 2008 - 1:21pmBless you, essic.
Bless you, essig. Sometimes it seems like only Andres Serrano had reason to mourn Jesse Helms.
Jesse Helms ^= the CSA agenda ^= the Scotch-Irish that made PA scrappy?? I'm not arguing--we're scrappy as hell...
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaJuly 18, 2008 - 3:49amI'm part Scot, too
I'm fine with scrappy. I'm fine with the Scots, Irish, and Germans who settled the mountainous corridor that runs from Pennsylvania to Georgia. Jim Webb is one of them. I could provide a long list of the better politicians from that area and tradition. Most of them are both scrappy and decent. I recently read a fascinating interview with Terry Sanford in which he discusses the political contributions -- good and bad -- of the Ulster Scots of the NC part of the corridor.
BUT, there's also a specific kind of meanness that's idiomatic down there -- it's a kind of horrific cruel spirit that's peculiar to that place. The best way to explain exactly how I understand Jesse Helms is to tell you to read Peter Dexter's "Paris Trout," a piece of fiction that brilliantly and starkly captures that exact idiomatic expression of that kind of personality. I felt like I was punched in the stomach when I read that book - I had a physical reaction to the book -- had to put it down and walk away from it for a few days. Give it a whirl and tell me if it doesn't bring old Jesse to mind.
Jesse had a talent for dehumanizing others - he relished denying the personhood of anyone outside a narrow band of people whom he found acceptable. I think he literally regarded entire groups of people as not quite human. I think this is probably the most disturbing and destructive thing that is found in the vast range of human behaviour and belief. If there is truly such a thing as sin, this mindset -- and the behaviours that flow from it -- are the core of my understanding of sin.
But putting sin to the side, I think there's a shorthand way to judge character. Watch how a person treats people whom he or she perceives to be beneath him or her in social status or hierarchy, or whom he or she perceives as lacking power. Always pay attention when you see a person who frequently "kisses up and kicks down" the perceived social order. It doesn't matter whether you call that a sin, a character defect, a personality disorder, or just plain mean -- there's something deeply wrong with those people. It's wise to keep an eye on them, and it's very nearly impossible to mourn when they take leave of us.
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By essicJuly 18, 2008 - 9:54amRe: "there's something deeply wrong with those people."
It's called "conservatism". People like that have their empathy switch stuck in the "off" position.
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By Darkstar1July 18, 2008 - 2:06pmConservatism
I think you're onto something regarding the "empathy" switch.
But...as for the idea that it's a conservative problem?
No. Sorry. I strongly disagree. This is not a left-right or liberal-conservative divide. Kindness and empathy -- cruelty and selfishness -- are not determined by and do not correlate with party or political belief. Helms himself was once a Democrat (Dixiecrat), though always a conservative. By all reports, his wife was a very kind and decent woman. You can hold and support conservative views and causes without dehumanizing and abusing individuals in the opposition, and plenty of people do. Jesse just didn't understand the distinction between obliterating a person (or a group of people) and attacking ideas or behaviours.
Jesse was unique, even in the harshly right-wing movement that he led. To say that Jesse was a "typical conservative" is to miss the point about him. He was so extreme and so destructive that the Republican Party learned to use him -- quite strategically -- to expand the bounds of what was acceptable in the public discourse. When they wanted to move the debate on an issue sharply to the right, they'd trot old Jesse out onto the floor of the Senate and turn him loose on the podium for an hour or so. When Jesse was done fulminating, another Republican would take the podium and "respectfully" distance himself from whatever Jesse had said. Then, that Republican would haul out a plan that was further to the right than any other plan presented to date, and he'd point out how moderate it was compared to Jesse's view. It went far beyond "good-cop/bad-cop."
So, my point is that Jesse helped redefine moderation within that party.
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By essicJuly 24, 2008 - 7:45pmRaises hand...
I'm one of those Scotch Irish (although I'm one of those folks who prefers to say Scottish & Irish; you know Scotch is what you drink kind of thang) and even though I have MANY a staunch right winger in my family and we all are scrappy, I must say not all are as the general stereotype may suggest. However I digress, this is just an addendum actually.
Now as to our dear old friend Jessie, you know the guy who viscerally hates, in the papers no less, yet has them as lovers and/or children. He's the guy who likes to get the crowd going by cracking "jokes" that make fun and belittle entire groups of people or targets an individual to make he and his buddies feel like big boys. In the end, it is all the same, they hurt all of those whom they consider weaker or their enemy and do so for their own benefit. I suggest we look not toward Jessie and the like, but past them to those who can actually do good within our country.
No love lost here...
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By Polly Tics (not verified)July 18, 2008 - 6:57pmNew Yorker Magazine Cover
Just one question:
If the target of the New Yorker magazine cover was the right wing, were was the rabid wing nut writhing on all fours, foaming at the mouth, slathering, and howling at the moon? I missed that part.
Robert Ludwig
Harvard, IL 60033
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By Robert LudwigJuly 18, 2008 - 11:19amRobert, heck, they can't be everywher at once!
The rabid right wing was busy copying and pasting that image on all of their blogs, ads and brochures.
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By Polly Tics (not verified)July 18, 2008 - 6:41pmReducing U.S. troops in Iraq
Bush admin agrees not to a "timetable", but to a - get this - "general time horizon" for reducing troop levels.
You can't make up this stuff.
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By chemgirlJuly 18, 2008 - 1:58pmSewage Plant named after Bush makes ballot
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A measure seeking to commemorate President Bush's years in office by slapping his name on a San Francisco sewage plant has qualified for the November ballot.
The measure certified Thursday would rename the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant the George W. Bush Sewage Plant.
Supporters say the idea is to commemorate the mess they claim Bush has left behind by actions such as the war in Iraq.
Local Republicans say the plan stinks and they will oppose it.
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By AnodyneJuly 18, 2008 - 2:46pmin response to: well my partner is planning on leaving . . . .
----- [manage to make some "news" come August, well my partner is planning on leaving the Democratic Party for good (as would I,]By Polly Tics / July 18, 2008 - 7:56pm ---
that is the mental state that the McCain team is hoping for, get real, be a leader not a follower, hard to complain about the dem's and the state of out nation on one candidate or the other or even a party, because with voters out there like you, it is no wonder Bush won the white house twice... because if "if your not the lead dog, the view will always be the same" (...quote by unknown writer)
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By finnperkinsJuly 18, 2008 - 9:03pmfinnperkins, It's always a good idea to quote accurately
Point One: If you're going to quote me, please be complete about doing so and put my response in context. Your abbreviated quip is hardly accurate nor does it have the intent of what I wrote at that time. If you "asked" me rather than "lectured" me, we might have had an intelligent discussion, but it seems you have obviously left that option behind.
Point Two: Your cracks about "me" getting real and becoming a leader is merely an ad hominem attack without any basis of fact. Unless you are my neighbor or a relative or friend, I do not think you could know just how involved I may be as a leader be it in my neighborhood, state or my country's activities. As for your snide crack "because with voters out there like you", it first might behoove you to know something about those you intend to skewer rather than making inane comments.
So I recommend that you stop preaching and calling names to those who are attempting to comment and work toward our collective best interests. If you have a beef, great let's hear it, but if you need to quote someone else's comment, then do so in a manner that best represents the others intent.
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By Polly Tics (not verified)July 22, 2008 - 3:48pmhere is the info on Hillary's Top HillRaisers..nice
To get her 4 US (united States)
Caren Turner
Lynn Forester de Rothschild
Amy Siskind
as I posted last month about the difference between suspended and conceded.. even with dict'y cite' that was on the Washington Post blog and became and op-ed piece in the observer ..... It's all a matter of settling for and arranged marriage or got out and eloping for the one who has YOUR interest at the top of there thank you card list
I am on Disability, receiving last than 900.00 a month in benefits, my home payment is 850.00 and I maintain an older car, yes it's a bimmer, but I have to draw the line somewhere, the bimmer, (and prior to the petro increase price, it was a range rover), I earn additional funds by writing on the net.
As I said before... be the leader .. if you have to follow anything in your life, make it your conscience... not the back of somebody else head (or as~*!x )... money does not make a leader, "YOU "make a leader.
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By finnperkinsJuly 18, 2008 - 9:38pm