Today's TRMS
Matt Yglesias, Senior Editor at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, joins Rachel today to talk about the politics of the bail out bill. What do Republicans really want? Is the GOP as disorganized and fractured as it seems? Are Republicans just trying to hang this albatross around Democrats' collective neck?
Also, Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, talks to Rachel about efforts to make it easier for veterans to vote and why there wasn't a single question about veterens' benefits at last week's debate.
- September 30, 2008








REPUBLICANS' FETISH
It leaves me awestruck how slavish Republicans are to the concept of the free market. The idea of free markets was postulated to benefit the people whom it is to serve. This means it should be practical and practicable.
Don't get me wrong. I believe in the free market; just not in the unbridled free market. We can see how it mimics Darwinian "survival of the fittest" when it is used in its unalloyed form.
I would accept the Republicans' unyielding behavior in denying passage of the "Bailout" if I really thought that they believed it to be in the best interest of the general populace. But I believe their obstinance has more to do with their allegiance to the concept of the free market system, no matter what it wroughts.
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By PAMPASSeptember 30, 2008 - 2:59pmIf it were true survival of
If it were true survival of the fittest, there would be no bailout.
This is feudalism in its modern form.
The poor pay for the rich.
No wonder Jesus said it is harder for a rich man to go to heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle.
The love of money really is the root of all evil (note: it's not money itself--it's the love of money. When money becomes more important than morals, values, family and humanity, you have become truly evil. Money doesn't trump peace. Evil trumps peace).
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By MichtouSeptember 30, 2008 - 6:54pmA wise man once said...
Terry Pratchett said your true rich man will figure out a way to purée the camel and commission a very big needle.
That's a good metaphor for what the Republicans in Congress are doing right now.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaSeptember 30, 2008 - 7:20pmThat being the case...
...I know exactly where to put that needle.
:cheese:
"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver
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By capn_crustySeptember 30, 2008 - 8:29pma thought...
Idenil
I once saw a documentary ( I wish I could recall the name of it) in which the narrator stated that the term, 'the eye of a needle' was actually referencing a small needle shaped entrance to the holy temple in Jerusalem, apparently the only entrance to the inner temple, through which a man would have to crouch and bend to get through, he idea being that a man would have to bow to God before entering the house of the Lord.
The narrator further speculated that the Biblical reference to Camels and such, was much more literal than those of us far removed would be able to see. Also, in showing the footage of the actual entrance, the Narrator correctly showed that while this entrance was small enough that it would be extremely difficult to fit a camel through it, it would be far from impossible.
I believe and please correct me if I’m wrong, the quote states that it would be “more difficult for a rich man to go through the gates of Heaven that to fit a camel through the eye of a needle” no where does it state that it would be impossible?
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By IdenilSeptember 30, 2008 - 11:57pmnot the temple
the city itself. it wasn't to prevent entry, rather to slow it. much like this emergency bailout.
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By commiecakesOctober 1, 2008 - 12:50amIt says the eye of "a"
It says the eye of "a" needle, not the eye of The Needle.
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By MichtouOctober 1, 2008 - 8:18ammaybe he was refering to a needle.
either way, i think we can agree on his feelings for the rich.
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By commiecakesOctober 1, 2008 - 8:48amWas THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE a WWII Spy Thriller?
Some Ken Follett novel that I never read, but saw the movie starring Donald Sutherland as a Nazi spy? This was back when casting Donald Sutherland as a Nazi spy seemed shocking, rather than now when it seems like typecasting.
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By drdarkenyOctober 1, 2008 - 12:22pmThe Space Needle?
The Space Needle?
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaOctober 1, 2008 - 2:38pmhello my friends,
how about them REDSKINS !!
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By i hate obama nutzSeptember 30, 2008 - 4:03pmBiden/Palin Debate
Hi Rachel,
I love your show.
I have a question to ask that only you can answer. Why is it that Sarah Palin is being handled with kid gloves when it comes to her turn to debate ? Joe Biden has to be careful . Joe Biden can't be too hard on her. Why is everyone talking about being considerate of her feelings, being careful not to be too hard on her. Isn't she suppose to be up to the task of a vice presidential nominee ? If it's too hot for her, she should get out of the kitchen. Right ? She's already insulting Joe Biden when she said she heard about him when she was seven years old, referring to his age, so why shouldn't he give it back to her ? I am all for Joe Biden being himself . What do you think ?
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By leeannevotesSeptember 30, 2008 - 5:47pmIt's about spin
The kid gloves need to be on to avoid the McCain campaign spin. If he looks like he's trying to beat up the girl, they'll make him look like a mean 'ole man.
It's really not necessary for him to attack her. The most effective thing he can do is talk about Obama and McCain. Palin doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, so making it look like she was part of the debate won't help. It wouldn't even tell anyone anything, everyone already knows that he is more qualified than her.
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By Jason M. BryantSeptember 30, 2008 - 6:40pmBailout - Failout
FAILOUT ON BAILOUT
Hi Rachael,, I FELL MY CONCERN IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I AM WRITING TO ALL SENATORS WHO WILL LISTEN TO ME. Here goes my take on what can be done. WHY CAN'T THE GOVERNMENT BUY THE BAD MORTGAGES AND RE-WRITE THEM FOR THE HOME OWNERS AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE, SAY 5%. MY GRANDPARENTS HAD THAT DONE AFTER THE 1929 CRASH AND NOT ONLY DID THEY PAY OFF THEIR HOME THEY WERE ABLE TO AFFORD TO OPEN A BUSINESS. I FEEL AS IF WE, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ARE BEING FREIGHTENED INTO BELIEVING THIS BILL HAS TO GO THROUGH OR WE BURN AND CRASH. I'M SURE WE WILL TO SOME EXTENT. BUT GUESS WHAT TO ALL THE WALL STREET FAT CATS. WE HAVE ALREADY BURNT AND CRASHED. I LOST MY JOB IN JUNE, WITH IT WENT MY HEALTH INSURANCE. I LIVE IN A STATE WITH THE 2ND HIGHEST RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT. MY DISABLED HUSBAND HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET TOTAL DISABILITY FOR 10 YEARS ONLY TO KEEP GETTING DENIED. WE LIVE ON FOOD STAMPS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ARE GETTING BY BECAUSE WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE ARE STRONG ND IT'S WHAT WE DO IN A CRISIS. GET UP AND KEEP ON KEEPING ON. NOW I HAVE TO WONDER THIS CRASH, IS IT REALLY US LITTLE GUYS OR IS IT WALL STREET HOT SHOTS. I WONDER IF ONE OF THEM WOULD LIKE TO BE ME FOR EVEN 1 WEEK. NOT THAT I WANT TO TRADE PLACES, NO WAY DO I WANTS TO BE THAT CALIBER OF PERSON. THEY REALLY HAVE TO STOP THINKING WE ARE STUPID AND INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE. WE WILL SURVIVE, WE ALREADY ARE. I FOR ONE DON'T WANT THEM TO CONTINUE TO EAT SURF & TURF WHILE I HAVE BEEN EATING MAC & CHEESE SINCE JUNE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL THOSE GUYS THEY MISSED IT. JUST LIKE JOHN MC CAIN MISSED THE WHOLE POINT WHEN HE DECIDED TO DISRUPT THINGS ON THE HILL LAST WEEK. I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT JUST AS I AM GETTING BY SO WILL OTHERS. AS I SAID, WE ARE AMERICANS, WE ARE STRONG. WE WILL NOT BE JUMPING OUT WINDOWS IF THE MARKET CRASHED. CAN WE SAY THE SAME FOR THOSE ON WALL STREET. WALL STREET SHOULD HAVE IT'S NAME CHANGED TO MAIN STREET AS A CONSTANT REMINDER OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THANKS FOR LISTENING. MARILYN FROM WELAKA, FLORIDA
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By MarilynjoySeptember 30, 2008 - 4:09pmThis is spam. Once was
This is spam. Once was enough. Do you have a problem with needing attention from your mother?
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By MichtouSeptember 30, 2008 - 6:51pmreadability
Please turn off your 'caps lock' key and try to use paragraphs and sentences to separate thoughts
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By rstarSeptember 30, 2008 - 10:31pmMARILYN
your grand parents are not DEAD BEATS. those CREDIT CRIMINALS are though. let me be clear those mortgage customers that promise to pay and then say after trashing the home , the hell with responsibility are DEAD BEATS !
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By i hate obama nutzSeptember 30, 2008 - 4:21pmwhat about the brokers
who know the borrowers don't qualify, but they get the junior partner to sign the docs. this isn't about bad consumers...well, maybe a little. mainly it's about a federal reserve that intended to cause harm by lowering interest rates and then kept lowering them. the anticipated result of low bank rates is investors to seek speculative returns. greed, declining dollar, rising commodities, then collapse of the whole scam.
if all these people: greenspan, bernake, paulson, cox, bush, cheny, etc. didn't do this intentionally then they are worse than crooks, they would have to be all mentally unfit for their jobs. which do you suppose it is?
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By commiecakesOctober 1, 2008 - 1:09amstems back to 1992,
when republicans attempted to regulate the mortgage industries , the democrats said that it would not be FAIR to the lower class and would seem RACIST not to offer LOANS to folks that could not afford it. democrat BARNEY FRANK and FANNIE-FREDDIE big wig MR.RAINES ( OBAMAS' ECONOMY ADVISOR ) kept it up the last 15 years , and the DEAD BEATS started going into foreclosure all over the country ( CREDIT PLAGUE ). thats the CRUX !!!!
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 8:53amProve that any of what you
Prove that any of what you just spouted is true.
You can't.
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By MichtouOctober 1, 2008 - 8:59amnice sock puppet.
i knew you were full of shit when you said republicans attempted to regulate an industry. you should've said they were drowning kittens. the industry is regulated. rules were broken and the current administration crooks in charge of enforcement turned a blind eye.
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By commiecakesOctober 1, 2008 - 3:38pmCOMMIECAKES
you are actually saying the REPUBLICANS made no attempt to regulate the fannie mae and freddie mac banks, you need to study history and you will see , MY FRIEND that YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT !!!!!
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By OBAMA IS A P.O.S.October 1, 2008 - 4:42pmOh my god!
You're right! I'd better suspend my campaign!
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaOctober 1, 2008 - 6:08pmIf you're referring to
If you're referring to ACORN, that is a bunch of bull. ACORN had absolutely nothing to do with mortgages. Another lie being spread by the right.
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By MichtouOctober 2, 2008 - 7:13pmConsider other voices on this issue, Moore, Kucinich
Michael Moore's comment today on this subject is being ignored, as is Dennis Kucinich's proposal. Rachel, take a look at them, try to include them in the conversation at AA/msnbc. They are offering a different take. I do think the Dems are allowing themselves and us to be railroaded into a bad answer to this crisis.
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By orangessardinesSeptember 30, 2008 - 5:17pmNYT scores an interview with one of the Somali pirates
They don't care particularly about the weapons aboard the Ukrainian freighter they took over, they just want cash:
thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/q-a-with-a-pirate-we-just-want-the-money/
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By chemgirlSeptember 30, 2008 - 5:31pmQusetion
Rachel,
Why are you saying the Failure of this $700 Bill is the 'fault'
of the Republicans? Should you not be giving them credit?
When your constituents ask you to vote against a Bill 100 to 1
(as you just finished saying on air) shouldn't that be called
a VICTORY for the taxpayer,
not a 'failure' that needs someone to blame?
I don't get it?!!!!
Please explain.
I'll admit that I might be missing something?!!!
And, last, NO, I'm not for either one of the lesser evils.
So it doesn't matter who you give the CREDIT to ... as long as
that is what it is ...........CREDIT !
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By jcdinesSeptember 30, 2008 - 5:31pm"Should you not be giving them credit?" Yep & Progressive Dems 2
The oath of office explicitly mandates protecting the constitution that specifies that representatives advocate for third constituents, thus pressure from hierarchal authority, tit for tat intercourse with in the bodies, or K-Street quid pro quo do in fact fall under RICO violations. But since Nixon's virtual ban on Anti-Trust counter judgments, selective prosecution of the US CODE hade been defacto "justice" thus the preposterous NON stare decisis appointment of the shrub in '00.
Here's the list of mavericks that bucked the Paulson gang train robbery intent: www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-674&sort=party
What should be asked is why they're are selective in their adherence to their oath. Obviously the failure to IMPEACH is a blatant offence to the degree of criminal negligence, but this just in:
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By THX1138 ClockworkSeptember 30, 2008 - 11:14pmHalt.
Stopp.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaSeptember 30, 2008 - 11:23pmWhy does George W. Bush hate America?
George W. Bush has taken down the American empire, the last undisputed superpower, more effectively than its enemies ever could have.
EDIT: Thanks to Dan Savage's brother for pointing out this headline from The Onion, originally published January 17, 2001:
"Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity Is Finally Over'"
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaSeptember 30, 2008 - 8:17pmthe blame goes to ,
THOSE F_ _ _ _ _ G CREDIT CRIMINALS !!
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 2:43pm"The Whole World is Hoping"
Current top headline on Spiegel-Online: "The whole world's hopes rest on the second vote. Warning, threatening and begging: Politicians and federal reserve bankers around the world are appealing to the U.S. Congress to agree as quickly as possible on the temporarily failed 700-billion-dollar aid package for the financial sector."
Me again: The only stock I owned was in two small banks in the tiny town where my parents grew up. It was intended to be a conservative long-term investment. Wachovia bought one of the banks, with Wachovia's non-money money. That stock has gone down over 90% in value since Feb. 2007.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaSeptember 30, 2008 - 7:52pmPalin Bingo!
Hey Rachel,
We just put together a website we think you'll love: http://www.palinbingo.com
That's right, Palin Bingo. We put together a few sample cards for visitors to play with during Thursday's night debate, but the most fun is had making up your own (we've included a blank card for just that). Anyway, we hope you like it and maybe you could give it a quick mention on air. This is totally ad-free, non-profit and we claim no intellectual rights to this at all. Not that there's anything intellectual about it!
Steve & Brendan in New York!
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By madmanSeptember 30, 2008 - 8:26pmRevised Bailout
Hi Rachel. A friend proposed this great idea for a bailout which would be to the American Family - not the District of Criminals:
Take that $700B and give it to every US citizen to use in any way they wish to. According to his calculations, it would amount to approximately $250,000 each. We would then be able to catch up on bills, buy homes, buy cars, invest as we see fit, start small businesses, bolster existing businesses, etc. This would stimulate our sick economy for sure.
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By PatillaSeptember 30, 2008 - 8:34pmMath
Your friend's math is off. $700B divided by 300M Americans comes out to about $2,300 per person.
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By Jason M. BryantSeptember 30, 2008 - 9:13pm"Your friend's math is off." it's an old chain letter
The compound interest will make the per capita debt $6,700, according to Kucinich on TRMS MSnbc tonight.
Incidentally that's less than what you are currently paying for the DoD, not including the $2.3T unaccounted for before 9/11/01.
www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/snider.pdf
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By THX1138 ClockworkOctober 1, 2008 - 12:25am::groan:: Singy - can't you just do this...somewhere else...?
I predict once you're banned (again), your NEXT nick will be something like "2001 Phantom Menace"....
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By drdarkenyOctober 1, 2008 - 12:57amRachel show
Just tuned in for a few minutes to your new show.
Wow!!!!!!
How did you get on the air?
Those of us who like to think positive once in awhile might just wait until you are off the air.
Keith Olberdoof and you must have taken crap tv 101 together.
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By coolSeptember 30, 2008 - 9:10pmpositive
How positive of you!
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By the_captainOctober 2, 2008 - 10:51pmAn insult from a liar who
An insult from a liar who never even watched a minute of her show. It's obvious from our comments. Just keep repeating the crap you hear others say. I guess using your own brain is just too hard.
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By MichtouOctober 2, 2008 - 11:01pmUnfair coverage of Palin's newspaper reading habits
The gurl DOES read the paper. She just didn't want to give free publicity to The Onion. That liberal media, I tell you. Sheesh!
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By cool_princessieSeptember 30, 2008 - 9:28pmThe Real Truth and What This Trash for a Website Will Never Tell
The same useless drivel from Air America that is somehow pandered to the US public as news. Want to talk about a failure in leadership - and the "news" from this reporter is solely focused on the Republican party. Somehow it escaped her mind - and his reporting - that a significant portion (read approximately 1/3 of the house democrats) voted no and to make matters worse many of Nacy Pelosi's leadership (read democratic US House committee chairman) voted no. Gee, why no mention of this as a "leadership failure"?
Want to place blame, start with the Clinton administration and their failed HUD program of November 2000 that was hailed as "new regulations to provided $2.4 trillion in mortgages for affordable housing for 28.1 million families." This allowed Fannie and Freddie (huge Democratic party contributors - see public records concerning contributions) to take part in the largest federal expansion of housing aid ever. This has been supported by leading Democrats ever since. Barney Frank is quoted as saying in 2003 "I do not see [any] possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury." and personally vouched for the "soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Moreover, Mr. Frank said the federal government has "probably done too little rather than too much to push them [Freddie & Fannie] to meet goals of affordable housing." (read government regulation that forced lending institutions including Fannie & Freddie to lend to sub-prime borrowers or face the risk of congressional interference in their business). Earlier this year Mr. Dodd, a leading Democrat in the Senate praised Fannie and Freddie for "riding to the rescue" when other financial institutions were cutting back on mortgage loans. He also said that they "need to do more" to help sub-prime borrowers get better loans. The magic words "affordable housing" and the ugly word "redlining" directly led to politicians directing where loans and investments should go by arm twisting private and semi-private lending institutions through vehicles such as the Community Reinvestment Act and other coercive actions and threats to restrict their business and business practices. Freddie and Fannie, backed by and "implicit" taxpayer guarantee, bought hundreds of billions of these sub-prime loans, repackaged them into comparable credit worthiness bundles, and then resold them to investors.
But somehow Ms. Pelosi sees this mess as President Bush's fault. Let’s examine this a little further. As far back as 1992, then President Clinton is quoted as saying, Democrats have been "resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me... to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." In 2003, President Bush proposed what the NY Times called “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago." The plan called for a new regulator for Fannie and Freddie, one that could boost capital mandates and look at how they managed risk. This came after regulators uncovered a scheme by Fannie and Freddie executives to overstate earnings by $10.6 billion to boost exec bonuses. What did the Democratic leadership do with this proposal - they killed it. Mr. Frank (then ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee) is quoted as saying "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing any kind of financial crisis." Mr. Melvin Watt, a Democrat from N. Carolina accused the Bush administration of "weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing." And somehow the Speaker of the House has the gall to blame this on the Bush administration as
“…the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies — policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision and no discipline in the system."
A real reporter would have researched her vote on the matter when more oversight and regulation of Freddie and Fannie was proposed by the Bush administration – my guess is it wouldn’t be flattering to her or her party.
Want to blame the Republicans in general and Senator McCain in specific for failing to deal with this crisis. Think again. In 2005, then Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan testified in front of Congress: “We are placing the total financial system of the future at substantial risk.” That same year, Senator McCain, one of three sponsors of a Freddie-Fannie reform bill (S.190), said: “If congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.” In response, Mr. H. Reid, a democrat from Nevada, accused the GOP of trying to “cripple the ability of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to carry out their mission of expanding home ownership.” The bill that Senator McCain sponsored failed to pass.
Fannie and Freddie are entities that were created and largely regulated by a Democratically controlled Congress, managed by mostly former Democratic party officials, and have been very large contributors to the Democratic party.
As usual Air America never lets facts get in the way of a good “spin job” and neither does the Democratic party. Let’s see, the Democrats created Freddie and Fannie, their majority in Congress for most of the existence of these entities has been the regulator, the Democrats are the largest recipients of Freddie/Fannie political contributions - as is Presidential candidate Obama, Fannie and Freddie are managed largely by former Democratic party officials (one of whom now sits on Mr. Obama’s election campaign committee) and the Democratic party has smothered all attempts at more oversight and regulation - and then they attempt to hoodwink, no - commit outright fraud, by blaming the Bush administration and the Republicans for this debacle. It seems the American public has the memory span of about 15 minutes and the Democrats use this to their advantage at every opportunity, and Air America helps them do it.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
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By hiflyer767September 30, 2008 - 9:45pmThe same useless drivel from Air America that is somehow pandere
As much biased drivel as you think the show is, it can't hold a candle to Limbaugh, Hannity , O"Reilly, and those other beacons of objectivity on the Radical Right!
So I guess the question is, is it too much to ask why you are tuning in to it?
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By rstarSeptember 30, 2008 - 10:42pmI'LL ANSWER THAT.
this life long democrat began to have an open mind and view both left and right points of view and it became obvious that the DEMOCRATIC party went to the extreme left RADICAL view of political buisiness. which is a DAMN shame. like never before the OBAMA news networks out there are so full of SLIMY actions and comments .the primary reason i support MCCAIN is due to the FAR LEFT WING RADICAL NUTZ. MCCAIN / PALIN 2008 !! CLINTON 2012 !!
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 1:48pmSPOT ON HIFLYER767 !
thanks for the REAL facts. i agree that AMERICA needs to WAKE UP !!!
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 1:39pmbailout
It is common knowledge that the people begging for the bailout and will be deciding where and in whose bank accounts that enormous amount of money gets allocated, are the same people that ran their financial house so negligently that they forced themselves into the situation where they need taxpayer help to guarantee their survival as an institution!
Everybody says that giving Wall Street a bank-busting 700 Billions of taxpayer dollars to buy up all those millions of useless mortgages, that nobody can pay for, and also to infuse money into the markets so they can extend credit, is going to be the best thing we can do for Main Street, because it will give money back to the banks, that couldn't use their own money wisely to begin with, so they can lend it out as credit again to help small businesses, home purchases, and car buyers, etc!
Here's a novel ides, instead of throwing 700 billion dollar's worth of good money after all that bad and hoping it works out THIS time, why not give some money to the people directly?
There are 300+ million people in the US, why not give each one of voting age a check from the Government for one million dollars? The Government will collect most of it back as taxes first on that million dollar income and then on the a sundry of other taxes as we spend it. The people can finally pay off their homes instead of being foreclosed on, that would go a long way in eliminating, most - if not ALL, of the inventory of those useless paper mortgages! The housing market becomes liquid again and home values would increase. They will use more of that money to pay their bills instead of having to file bankruptcy - saving the industry untold millions in lost revenue and help unclog our legal system in the same process!
Yes! People with some extra money will invest again and maybe those that could never have done so in the past will now be added to the equation and Wall Street ALSO wins by having a larger investor pool!
The BEST argument is that giving each voting age American a million dollars will create more revenue and tax streams from the ground up by people SPENDING again, and $300 million is certainly a lot, lot cheaper and a better use than giving Wall Street $700 Billion that we don't have as a reward for their incompetence and is more palatable to Americans than rewarding the unfettered greed of financial conglomerates and Wall Street speculators!
The people win, the Government wins, Wall Street wins and we don't have to spend 10-20 times that 300 million on a bailout that would have questionable results at best!
I can't think of a more sensible thing to do to help Americans and get the economy back on track than presenting individual Americans with a gift of enough money to finally get a step up from the poverty that this economy is creating for those of us who are trapped because we live on Main Street and not on Wall Street and who have little or no support from either!!
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By rstarSeptember 30, 2008 - 10:20pmAbsolutely! this bailout is stupid.
There must be a million ways to fund a recovery other than another loan from China. Large volume stock market transaction taxes sound good. I also like the idea of giving judges reset authority. = authority to restructure mortgages etc. Then people would go back to paying their mortgages, and the paper backed by them will regain some value. The economy would get better on its own.
After that you could go ahead and give every voter a million bucks & still come out ahead by a factor of many many zeros.
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By zoomOctober 1, 2008 - 7:46amwait -- wrong math
if you give 300 million people $1 that = $300 million
If you give them each 1 million dollars each, that = 300 million million --- which is 3 trillion, I think. Is that right?
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By zoomOctober 1, 2008 - 9:12pmWOW !
SIGN ME UP !
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 2:34pmDefinition of "leadership"
I have wondered what Americans define as "leadership" ever since my Appalachian high school graduation, when it turned out you could get money for it. Viz., to wit: apparently there were some small local college scholarships for students at my high school who displayed "leadership." I was shocked. If only I'd known they existed, I might have been able to do something to win some of that sorely needed money! Strangely enough, all those scholarships went to the student council president and prom queen, just like all the other scholarships. So "leadership" is a popularity contest judged by uninformed voters? I started asking around, to find out what "leadership" the local worthies were seeking, what their criteria were for awarding that money. Not one of the teachers, including the teachers who had in fact submitted the names of the student council president and the prom queen to the business community for the scholarships, could tell me what the "leadership" in question was. Clearly, name recognition. Probably, not getting caught. Maybe, clear skin, a tight butt and a different outfit every day (PALIN 2012!!!!). As you get older, does "leadership" mean a high sales quota?
Now McCain is playing around with that same word in Columbus, OH.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaSeptember 30, 2008 - 11:46pmLeadership
B_B, you're making me reconsider the meaning of the leadership award I was awarded in h.s., the plaque for which still hangs in my parents' house. Yikes, am I one of "them"? Can this be offset by my scholar-athlete awards? Or h.s. trivia bowl team captaincy? Or perhaps my knowledge of famous Supreme Court cases? Or U.S. and world newspapers?
:winky:
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By chemgirlOctober 1, 2008 - 7:47amAwards
A friend of mine received an award and certificate for "Most Improved on Trampoline" at summer camp in 1969. At the very least, I think it says something about, if not leadership, then maybe persistence and risk-taking? I envy her -- wish I could claim to be "Most Improved on Trampoline."
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By essicOctober 1, 2008 - 8:04amMost Improved on Trampoline
Now there's a goal to which you can strive to achieve before next year's big birthday. Go for it!
p.s. Re: "persistence and risk-taking" sounds like John McCain could've received this award in his younger days...
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By chemgirlOctober 1, 2008 - 9:32amchemgirl,
hahahahahahahahaha, that is so funny! what was OBAMA doing in his EARLY years ? oh yea, SMOKING and SELLING drugs !
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 2:12pmalmost forgot ,
OBAMA also began his 20 plus year membership to the TRINITY CHURCH OF HATE and decided in his early years to have the leader of that church REV.WRONG become his MENTOR !!
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By i hate obama nutzOctober 1, 2008 - 2:17pmi hate obama nutz
Bah Bye!
:::waving:::
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By Polly Tics (not verified)October 1, 2008 - 4:35pmhey polly ,
based on your garbage verbage you must be one of those CREDIT CRIMINALS, you know one of them DEAD BEATS that signed a document saying i promise to make my monthly mortgage payments and later said the hell with it and let your house foreclose. or maybe it was your mommie.
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By OBAMA IS A P.O.S.October 1, 2008 - 4:50pmreally he's not,
OBAMA is not actually gonna give you a 1989 HONDA with SPINNERS for your VOTE !
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By OBAMA IS A P.O.S.October 1, 2008 - 4:53pmYo, Trollboy? I'll Settle for a President Who,
Unlike the Traitors Bush and McBush, doesn't wear his swastika on his sleeve....
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By drdarkenyOctober 1, 2008 - 9:45pmswastica ?
i got more FEAR with OBAMA wearing his FARAKHAN BOW TIE then i do with MCCAIN and a SWASTIKA !!
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By muslim bow tieOctober 2, 2008 - 8:38amOBAMA,
Luckily, I own my home lock stock and barrel (that means NO mortgage in case you're not sure) and it's a shame that there are so many that are not as lucky.
By the way, your new moniker is particularly vulgar, not that it surprises any of us...
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By Polly Tics (not verified)October 1, 2008 - 5:01pmWhat's that address...
...for Bob again?
"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver
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By capn_crustyOctober 1, 2008 - 5:23pmcapn,
you must be that little kid from school that was such a tattle telling little P_ _ _ Y !
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By OBAMA IS A P.O.S.October 1, 2008 - 5:35pmCap'n - your fingers don't know it by heart by now?
It's aarsupport@gmail.com - right, Trollboy? Surely you've gotten enough e-mails from him when he's banned you under your LAST several guises....
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By drdarkenyOctober 1, 2008 - 8:23pmtrying to keep up..
trying to keep up the the slimy sarcastic garbage you and your OBAMA nutz are spewing... i am glad to hear you paid off your TRAILOR , hope you left the wheels on,in case you get kicked out of the TRAILOR PARK !
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By OBAMA IS A P.O.S.October 1, 2008 - 5:31pmOkay, try this one
Name the artist and/or song:
"The police force is watching the people/And the people just can't un